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In article <32a769c7.9309512@news.gte.net> p@q.r (Advance) writes:
>On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 21:26:17 GMT, TJNYE@MANSCI.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
>(Tim Nye) wrote:
>>In article <Pine.SUN.3.95.961205104530.4027B-100000@viking.cris.com>
>>WAHRHEIT <Wahrheit@cris.com> (WILLIAM 'Do I still have an account'
>>GROSVENOR) writes:
>>
>>>I have recently visited Zundel's site and find nothing outrageous or
>>>inflammatory there. He simply sheds a new light on facts he believes
>>>have been manipulated by Jews. I have found no evidence in what I've
>>>read that is insulting or degrading to Jews. He does not deny Jews'
>>>right to existence or try to instill hate towards them. Whether he is
>>>right or wrong, he should have the right to express his views. Many
>>>people who call Zundel a racist and anti-semite don't even know what he
>>>is about.
>>
>>You didn't answer my question Mr. Grosvenor. Do _you_ also believe that the
>>German nazi leaders escaped the Allies by taking a flying saucer to a secret
>>base at the South Pole? Do you believe they are living at the center of the
>>earth?
> Rather what does that have to do with alt.revisionism? You mean
>Zundel was connected with the idea at the same time as the US Air
>Force was seriously considering something like that?
> You mean in the same time frame he was promoting the same
>possiblity? OK. Nice ad hominem attack.
> Lets see, are you the person who believed in Santa Claus?
Oops. Looks like I've hit a nerve. Darn.
Let's look at what the U.S. Air Force was considering, shall we?
The unit you refer to was called the Avrocar, built by A.V. Roe in Milton,
Ontario. Photos can be found at http://www.prysm.net/~jnuts/avro.html along
with this story:
By Charles McGrew
Copyright 1992 by Charles McGrew
This file may be freely distributed, so long as the authorship and
copyright notice remain intact.
Known "Disk-shaped" ("Triangular"/"Flying-wing") aircraft
The Avro (Canada) "Avrocar" was an outright flying saucer. It used
three Continental turbojets, turning a central impeller ("turbo
rotor") to keep it airborne with downward thrust, with a vane/
shutter system to propell the craft in pretty much any direction by
venting thrust in any direction desired. It was built to hold two
human crewmen in separate cockpits on either side, facing front -
total width of the Avrocar was 18 feet, with tricycle landing pads
or wheels for undercarriage. It was first proposed in the early 1950'
s by the Avro company to the Canadian government.
The maximum expected airspeed was originally about 700mph. As Avro
worked on the design, expected airspeed dropped to 300mph. By the
mid-50's, a very-secret project (unknown to even most Avro
employees) was in full swing to build the Avrocar. The blades of the
Avrocar turbo-rotor were hollow with internal re-enforcing, and
brazed to cement the parts. The first turbo-rotor was tested for 150
hours without mishap.
By 1955, the costs of the project had escalated beyond the resources
of the Canadian government. The project after that was underwritten
by the US DoD (the USAF and Army were both interested.) The Avrocar
first flew with a pilot on Dec. 5, 1959 (prior to that, it was
tested unmanned). Two were built - one Avrocar was tested out at the
Ames research center in California, the other remained with Avro for
testing. Although the aircraft did fly, its ability to rise and top
speed was extremely disappointing, mostly due to thrust dissipation
in the impeller. The Avrocar was able to clear (small) obstacles
without difficulty, but maximum altitude was never more than about 6
feet! The project was quietly closed down.
Both Avrocars are still intact, and survive in US museums (not sure
which, though).
... curiously, the Avrocar's technology was within a hair's breadth
of being successful. Using almost exactly the same propulsion setup,
the British developed hovercraft (the first being the British SRN-1)
in the early 1960's -- basically an Avrocar propulsion system with
a rubber skirt, which greatly improved the use of downward thrust.
... in recent years, a one-person "homebrew" version of an Avrocar
has appeared (alas, I cannot remember the fellow whobuilt it's name,
but he has built a lot of neat flying vehicles, and I've seen film
of the avrocar-like vehicle flying).
Edmund Doak also was contracted by the USAF to develop disk-shaped
airfoil aircraft in the 1950's and 1960's. His last andmost
promising, the Doak-16, was canceled by the USAF.
[Sources: Documentary "The Wing will Fly", a 'Wings' documentary on "
Strange Planes", and "Winged Wonders", by E.T.Wooldridge, published
by the National Air and Space Museum, 1983, "In Search Of" episode "
UFO Coverups".]
A film of the Avrocar is avaible at http://www.aviationvideos.com/avs/acar.
html
The Avrocar was a prototype VTOL aircraft - Vertical Take Off and Landing -
and is simply a variant of today's hovercraft. But, I can see how you'd get
confused between a hovercraft and a flying saucer which could fly to the
center of the earth.
You'll also note that the U.S. Air Force wasn't "seriously considering
something like that" until a full decade after the time Zundel claimed
'flying saucers' were operational (oh great, 'proof' that Zundel 'predicts'
the future...). And hey, 15 years afterwards, an Avrocar actually reached
an altitude of *6* feet.
As for the secret base at the center of the earth which is reached via the
South Pole, could you provide some authoritative reference that the U.S. Air
Force was ever "seriously considering something like that"?
What does this have to do with alt.revisionism? Well, the thread seems to
have started with William Grosvenor, operating under his current alias (hey,
do all these revisionist kooks post under aliases?), claimed that Mr. Zundel
deals in "facts" and that he found nothing "outrageous" about Mr. Zundel's
ideas. So, I just wanted to check to see how Mr. Grosvenor feels about
secret UFO bases full of old nazis at the center of the earth.
Unfortunately, Mr. Grosvenor can't seem to gather enough working neurons to
answer this one. Pity.
Tim
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