As I've commented before, the Trinity initially arose as a response to the Arians. Certainly the Arians' view needed to be rejected. In that historical context, I believe the Trinity accomplished two things: 1) It emphasized that in Christ we are encountering God himself, not a demigod. 2) It interpreted the Logos as one mode of existence of God, rather than a truly separate entity. (Note that I'm using mode in a way different than the modalists.) However I believe the whole Arian problem was the result of theology taking a wrong turn several hundred years previously. The Logos language as used in the NT was based on Jewish speculative views. However I'm afraid Christian theology turned poetry into prose. The concept of God's word becoming flesh is a very powerful metaphor. But when it turns into dogma, we end up with his word becoming a separate entity coeternal with God. I'm pretty sure that's not what John had in mind. In a Christian context the Logos was used to express the fact that Christ as Son represents something that was present with or as a part of God from before creation. I think this concept was fairly vague in the beginning, and one can see the details change over the first few centuries of Christian theology. As theology came to be done in terms of Greek theology, the Logos developed from an image which I think was intended more or less as a metaphor in the original Jewish speculation, until with the Arians it became a full-fledged separate entity, existing alongside of God from eternity. I think Christian theologians were moved in this direction largely because of a desire to avoid saying that God died. The West actually did try to do theology in a more conventional monotheistic fashion. It's variously called Monarchian and Patripassian. The problem is that if you treat God as one, and also believe in the Incarnation, then you end up saying that God the Father died on the cross. This is not something anyone was willing to accept. I think this problem moved people to take the distinction between Father and Logos more seriously, so that they could then have just the Logos incarnated. Of course if you go too far down this path, you have Arianism, which is what they found out the hard way. At any rate, I think there are other ways to avoid the problem of having the Father die. First, note that the Incarnation hadn't been carefully formulated yet. There wasn't a clear understanding of two natures in one person, which creates a certain indirectness into God's involvement in death (and birth). Second, I believe there was a certain Docetic tendency. That is, I think they were more afraid than they should have been of saying that God really participated in birth and death. I would suggest that it would have been better to read "the Word was made flesh" as not implying a real separation within God. The Word is symbolic of God's will and his creative power, but it's really a function of God, not a separate entity. I see the passage as saying that Jesus made God's will and plan for us visible, but I don't see it as being intended to be a metaphysical definition of how that was accomplished. I would thus return to what is in effect Monarchianism, i.e. to saying that Jesus incarnated God as a whole, not just the Son. With a more sophisticated Christology I think this would not be a problem. I do believe that something good has come out of the Trinity. But I think the modern evangelical concept of God as personal is a more natural way of explaining it. For me the main point of the Trinity is that God has enough complexity that the relationship of love is intrinsic to him. I do see some point in saying that Jesus incarnates the Son, since Jesus certainly shows us the life of loving obedience, and by our participation in him brings us into God's own love. However I think in the long run Jesus shows us all of God, and it's a mistake to confine the Incarnation to just the Logos, as classical theology does. I believe the implications of God as personal can be explained without the metaphysical mysteries of the Trinity. To me the big thing that came out of the Trinity is the idea that God is not just a mathematical point, but that he has some analog of human relationship within him. This shows in two ways: - we say that God is love. We believe that love is intrinsic to him. It didn't have to wait until there was a world and humans to love. But love is a relationship. How can there be a relationship within God? The Trinity says that God has enough "inner structure" that there can be a relationship among him. But I'm not sure we need the Trinity to do this. - people are called to a life of loving obedience. We are incapable of doing this alone. It can only come as a gift from God, through Christ. Only Christ was able to in himself live as a completely obedient servant. But for Christians, Christ reveals God. If we take this seriously, this means that Christ's loving obedience is something intrinsic to God. So God "in himself" is not just creator, father, etc. He is also son. When God calls us to obedience, he is not asking us to do something he is incapable of doing himself. Both of these considerations suggest that we need to think of God as being from eternity Father and Son. (And Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit has always been an afterthought in Christian doctrine. As far as I can see, it is a characteristic of the relationship. It is probably best thought of as being the presence of the Father with the Son, and to the extent that we are incorporated in Christ, with us.) But I think we can do this in the context of talking about God as love, and of what Christ shows us about God. So in summary, I would prefer to leave the Logos language as metaphorical, and base theology on the obvious Biblical concepts of God as one but as one who is love. The Biblical concept of preexistence becomes particularly problematical here. The point is not that the human being Jesus existed before the creation. I don't see that this could make any sense. Rather the point of preexistence is that Jesus embodies all of God - including the power that was shown in the creation. Now, for the Incarnation. I would rather start with language such as Colossians and Hebrews: Jesus as the visible image of the invisible God, the very imprint of his nature, and also statements that God was in Christ reconciling us to him. I see the Jesus as a human being, whose integrity as a human must be preserved, but as also God's way of being present in history. But I believe this is a matter of God's decision, not a metaphysical mystery. My basic problem is that I think the Church had moved to a neo-Platonic frame of reference. And Greek philosophy in general had trouble dealing with certain key concepts. The Greeks were big on substance and essense, etc. If the incarnation was real, it had to be expressed in this model of substances and essenses. Greek philosophy did not do very well with functions and relationships (even in mathematics). I believe that the unity between Jesus and his Father was functional. One of the Eastern theologians did in fact toy with such a concept. His view was considered acceptable at the time of Chalcedon, though after his death he was ruled to be heretical because some of his followers got caught on the wrong side of the politics of the Eastern church. To me the main Biblical points that need to be emphasized are: - that when we look at Jesus, we see God - that in Christ, God died for us, i.e. that the incarnation means that God chose to experience Jesus' death as his own. To me this is not a matter of metaphysics, but of God's choice. Frankly I think we would have been better to start with Hebrew concepts rather than Greek. The OT tradition has a number of relationships of functional unity. The best known is the prophet. The prophet speaks for God. He represents God in a much closer fashion than many modern readers realize. The prophets created so much opposition not just because they were the messengers of bad news, but because their proclamations and their symbolic actions were thought to actually cause the things they proclaimed. But there are other instances of identification. Servants represented their masters and sons their fathers in a very direct way. To me it would be best to think of the incarnation as an intensification of these Hebrew ideas. Jesus was God present with us, not because there was some metaphysical difference between him and any other human, but because God chose to identify Himself with Jesus. And also because God arranged it so that Jesus' character and life revealed Him. One problem I have with classicial theology is that it leads us away from Jesus' life and teachings to his metaphysical constitution. It's common to talk of Jesus' human and divine natures as if they were separate parts of him. However I don't think that is wise. The two nature language adopted by Chalcedon certainly says that in Christ two different things are going on -- a human being and God. These things must not be confused. This is expressed by saying the Christ has two "natures" -- human and divine. The overall point is surely right. However the two-nature terminology tends to separate Christ into human and divine "parts", and partition his actions between them (though the doctrine of "communication of attributes" is an attempt to prevent this from going too far). I think instead we have to see the same human being and human actions as being on both the human level level and the divine level. Jesus is both a human being and God's presence with us. The same thing was both human and God. This means that we are to see Jesus' actions in two ways. On the one hand, his teachings and actions are human. They come from Jesus' understanding of God, which presumably developed through a study of the Hebrew Scriptures, and through a deep relationship with God. Yet we see them also as God's teachings and actions. If we take seriously the claim that Jesus is the "Word made flesh", then God is taking full responsibility for everything Jesus is and does, so that we regard them as *both* God's own actions in human history, and actions by a human being. A good test case is Jesus' death. Our model of the unity of divine and human in Christ has to be such as to continue even through his death. Otherwise we are all too close the early Christians who believed that God left Christ right before his death, because God couldn't die. It is certainly clear that the eternal Logos did not cease living or get buried, which is why I use the language "experienced death" above to talk about how God was involved. Yet I'm reluctant to leave it there, and imply that death per se was only the act of the human in Christ. If we are serious about Jesus as the human form of God, we have to see everything he did as at the same time the act of a human being and the act of God. If God completely identified himself with Christ, then we have to say that death was actually something that God did. There is still some "indirection", since he did it through Christ and not in his own person, as it were. (Clearly Christ's death didn't leave us without a God in "heaven", continuing to guide the universe.) But God's identification with Christ is such that I think we still have to speak of death as something God actually did. I'm particularly upset by the Athanasian model of Christology, which seems to be the dominant one in the West. And with the (posthumous) anathematizing of Theodore, it's not clear that there's any real alternative. Athanasius said that the Logos took on humanity, but without a real human being. This seems completely opposed to the NT portrait, which clearly emphasizes that Jesus is a human being, with all the limitations that implies. I'm afraid I see classical Christology as being in effect a somewhat more sophisticated version of the Arian position: despite talking about fully God and fully human, the final result is not really a human being. It's an entity that combines two natures. In my view he is finally neither really God nor a human being. I believe that rather than a single person with two natures, what they want is two persons: God and the human being Jesus, whose correspondence is so close that they are functionally a single person. This seems to me what is implied by the image in Hebrews: the image is one of the impression of a seal in wax. The result is that we have the same seal, but in two forms: the original stone, and wax.