This is a summary of machine readable Bibles and online Bible software. It was prepared from postings and email received from contributors to soc.religion.christian. Entries are in three categories: - online text, intended primarily for use with your own software or simple text editors - text supplied with a "computer concordance" program for PC's. Typically the text is indexed and compressed, so it is not appropriate for you to process with your own program. - other things Each entry begins with the net address of the source of the information. Here's a table of contents, to help you find your way around: I. Online Bible texts. (languages other than English and the original are listed in section III) 0. note on online KJV A. Simtel-20. ASCII text of KJV. B. OWL. CD-ROM in Guide format C. Oxford Text Archive. A number of translations and other texts, disk or tape D. CCAT program at U. of Pa. Bible and related texts, mostly original lang. E. Packard Humanities Institute. text on CD-ROM F. NIV text G. Word Ministries H. Other KJV Bibles on the Internet I. RSV available with BWMASTER. See entry below. II. Computerized Bible programs for micros A. Andrews University: The Lamp B. NIV PC software from International Bible Society. C. WORDsearch Computer Bible from NavPress D. THE WORD processor (Bible Research Systems) E. Compubible F. Foundation Press Publications G. Bible Quest H. Lockman Foundation I. Woodside Bible Fellowship J. QuickVerse, from Parsons Technology K. WORDworks Software Architects L. PD/shareware versiosn M. BibleSoft. N. LDSview O. Bookmaster Bible from Koala-T Software P. Word, Inc. Q. Godspeed R. Biblequest S. Bible Word Program, a free program from James Akiyama for DOS, Unix, etc. T. Hyperbible (Mac) with Thompson Chain Reference U. BWMASTER (uploadable from BBS) V. Word workers (PC-SIG) W. REFER -- shareware search software on SIMTEL III. Other items A. German Bibles. B. High Tech Bible - separate device with Bible builtin C. Bits, Bytes, and Biblical Studies (book) D. IBYCUS system E. Online Bible software for Unix F. Newsletters, magazines, etc., with information G. ScriptureFonts, Greek and Hebrew fonts for WordPerfect H. Turkish NT, Finnish NT I. recording of Alexander Scourgy's reading the KJV ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I. Online Bible texts. 0. Note on online KJV. Several people have reported problems getting copies of the KJV texts described in this document. It is possible that some of this information is out of date. One source that I know is current sierra.stanford.edu, 36.2.0.98, in /pub/documents. kjv.shar.Z and kjv.tar.Z are two alternative formats. (Shar is designed so that you only need a Unix shell to pull apart the archive. Tar is a common Unix archive format. Both files need to be put through "uncompress" first.) Project Guttenburg also has a copy of the KJV. The master site for Guttenburg is mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu, 128.174.201.12. It is in /etext92, as bible10.txt or bible10.zip. I know of no translation other than KJV that is available via anonymous FTP, although some other versions may be available with a bit a licensing. A. Simtel-20. ASCII text of KJV. This version is intended primarily for use with MS-DOS. For a copy based on this intended for Unix and other larger systems, see below on the U. of Chicago version. tom@dvnspc1.dev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht) I have received the KJV files from Simtel via the archive server. I have been able to filter them in such a way that I can get them to work with several Bible search tools. To get the files via mail, send a request to: LISTSERV@VM.ECS.RPI.EDU The form of the request should be: /PDGET MAIL PD:00-INDEX.TXT (UUE Replace the "00-INDEX.TXT" with the name of each file desired. Note there is a limit to the number of bytes of data the archive server will send per day (I think it's 100K). dg@pallio.uucp (David Goodenough) The Bible files have been moved back to the MSDOS collection where they originated. They had been placed in the MISC directory until some disk space could be freed. NOTE: Type B is Binary; Type A is ASCII Directory: PD2: Filename Type Length Date Description ============================================== BIBLE14.ARC B 61767 871205 Fast Bible search program BIBLEPOP.ARC B 21236 890504 RAM-resident pop-up Bible verses BIBLEQ.ARC B 88704 870207 Bible quiz game - 1000 questions DISK766.ARC B 334535 880605 King James version of Holy Bible - disk 1 of 7 DISK767.ARC B 320724 880605 King James version of Holy Bible - disk 2 of 7 DISK768.ARC B 344683 880606 King James version of Holy Bible - disk 3 of 7 DISK769.ARC B 342115 880606 King James version of Holy Bible - disk 4 of 7 DISK770.ARC B 327135 880606 King James version of Holy Bible - disk 5 of 7 DISK771.ARC B 355654 880606 King James version of Holy Bible - disk 6 of 7 DISK772.ARC B 138926 880606 King James version of Holy Bible - disk 7 of 7 JOURNEY.ARC B 34392 880728 Learn the 10 Commandments - CGA or MONO KJV-TOOL.ARC B 25472 881130 Tools for Bible search & for other literature KJVCOUNT.TXT A 5898 891102 Words & phrases counts of King James Bible Mark Scase I have a copy of the KJV Bible from Simtel20. The Bible is in the following format: GEN 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. GEN 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Each verse is on a separate line and the Book, Chapter and verse precedes the verse. B. OWL. CD-ROM in Guide format A J Cunningham Office Work Stations (OWL), the manufacturers of the Guide hypertext package have a machine readable bible package. As you might expect it's in Guide format and it comes on a CD-ROM. It includes two texts, one greek and one english and allows the user to compare the two simultaneously. OWL is based in Edinburgh but they have a sales office in the US. If you're interested I'll get some more detail from them and forward it to you. C. Oxford Text Archive. A number of translations and other texts, disk or tape Mark Scase Another source of material could be the Oxford Text Archive in the UK. I have not used it but enclose information I have received from it. Note that the service is not free and texts cannot be obtained by anon FTP. Also, once texts have been obtained they cannot be re-distributed without prior permission from Oxford. Texts are supplied on tape or disk. The text archive contains hundreds of texts but here is a list of the entries connected with the Bible. English Bible U-1060-E King James Authorised Version (with Apocrypha) U-1061-E Revised Standard Version (with Apocrypha) Greek Bible A-708-D Greek Jewish Scriptures (ed Rahlfs) U-1101-E Morphologically tagged Greek Jewish Scriptures (CATSS text) X-397-C New Testament X-516-E Septuagint (TLG text) A-540-C Septuagint, vols 3 and 13 U-269-A The gospels Hebrew Bible A-1111-E Aligned texts of Hebrew and Greek Jewishscriptures (CATSS database;TLG format) U-1119-E Aligned texts of Hebrew and Greek Jewishscriptures (CATSS database;Tov format) U-525-D Bibl. Heb. Stuttgartensia (Michigan-Claremont text) U-422-A Book of Job (Targum) U-301-B Pentateuch A-140-A Psalms (Targum text) Miscellaneous U-1183-C Hanga New Testament Text_Archive The Oxford Text Archive is a repository for machine-readable texts supported by Oxford University Computing Service. Several hundred texts in many different languages are maintained, including literary works, dictionaries and linguistic samples. All of the texts are in principle available for research purposes to any registered user of OUCS facilities. The Archive also distributes copies of some texts on behalf of their depositors and maintains information about electronic texts held at other centres around the world. At present, the majority of texts are not held online. Oxford users wishing to obtain access to the texts should telephone (2)73238 or send e-mail specifying which texts are required. Texts are held in a wide variety of formats and using a variety of different encoding schemes. However, all texts are held as straightforward ASCII sequential files, and so should be usable by a wide variety of software. Oxford Text Archive Oxford University Computing Service 13 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 6NN, UK or by FAX to +44 (865) 273275 email: archive@uk.ac.oxford.vax Charges There is no charge to local users. For texts ordered from elsewhere, charges are normally 15 pounds (Europe), 25 pounds (rest of world) per tape plus 5 pounds per text ordered. Some texts are available on floppy disk for IBM compatible or Macintosh, at a charge of #15 per disk. There is no media charge when texts are distributed over JANET. All charges must be paid in advance, in sterling or US dollars, to the account of Oxford University Computing Service. The Catalogue is available in paper form by post from the address below. New editions are published at least twice a year. It is also available in electronic form, either as a formatted file for display at a terminal or in a tagged form using SGML. These files are available from a number of different places under various names. For EARN or INTERNET users, the most convenient source is probably LISTSERV@BROWNVM which makes the files available under the names OTALIST FORMAT and OTALIST SGML. If you are a JANET user you can consult the list interactively on HUMBUL, or request a copy from OXFORD.VAX (the filenames are OX$DOC:TEXTARCHIVE.LIST and OX$DOC:TEXTARCHIVE.SGML respectively). Wherever you are, you can send a note to ARCHIVE@VAX.OXFORD.AC.UK specifying which form you want. D. CCAT program at U. of Pa. Bible and related texts, mostly original lang. James Akiyama For those interested in biblical text in ASCII form, there are several places you'll probably want to consult. Probably one of the most active repositories for biblically related text is the CCAT program at the University of Pennsylvania. The following is a sample list of what is available: Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia (Hebrew Old Testament MS text). This text is the Michigan-Claremont work which is based on the Stuggart Bible by Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft Stuttgart and the Leningrad Codex. It includes the Ketib-Qere variants and the morphological divisions based on the Even Shoshan's concordance. The United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament, 2nd and 3rd edition. This text is a critical apparatus of various manuscripts based on the theory proposed by Wescott and Hort. The Latin Vulgata. The King James Version including Apocrypha. The Revised Standard Version including Apocrpha. The Greek Septuaginta, ed. A. Rahlfs, including some variants. This text is a critical mainly based on three Codexes: Codex Vaticanus, Codex Sinaiticus, and Codex Alexandrinus. It attempts to generate the most probable reading. The computerized form has been updated towards conformity with the individual Goettingen editions that have appeared since 1935. All text is obtained formatted in the TLG (Thesaurus Linguae Graecae) format as defined by the University of California at Irvine. A utility is provided to convert this format to a standard ASCII file. The data is available in IBM DOS diskettes, Kaypro/CPM Diskettes, MacIntosh Diskettes, and 2400', 9 track, 1600 bpi tape. The University of Pennsylvania CCAT program can be contacted at: Center for Computer Analysis of Texts (CCAT) Box 36 College Hall University of Pennsylvania Philadelphia, PA. 19104-6303 E. Packard Humanities Institute. text on CD-ROM James Akiyama The Packard Humanities Institute (PHI) mainly provides text on CD-ROM. It is intended as a companion disk to the Thesaurus Linguae Graecae (TLG) CD-ROM "C" which was from the University of California, Irvine. It is encoded using the "High Sierra" format, and will run on the IBYCUS systems as well as IBM/DOS PC systems so equipped. The Packard Humanities Institute can be contacted at: Packard Humanities Institute 300 Second Street Los Altos, CA 94022 F. NIV text James Akiyama For permissions to own a personal copy of the New International Version, you should contact International Bible Society (who owns the copyright). They generally issue a release which allows you to have an ASCII version of the NIV for personal use. For commercial use, you'll also need to contact Zondervan. Of course, the problem is how to obtain an ASCII version of the text. Some possible solutions are listed under the PROGRAM section of my discussion (since many programs include the NIV text). G. Word Ministries stanwyc@mtfmi.att.com (D. Stanwyck) For KJV and RSV there is the Word Ministries in Portland, OR. They (rather he) will send you at no charge/no donation accepted any of several versions, including KJV, RSV, greek, etc. I applaud the work of this gentleman, tho his name escapes me for the moment. If people are interested, I can look it up and post it. I believe he is on the net and may have replied anyway. H. Other KJV Bibles on the Internet In addition to the famous Simtel20 copy on the KJV text, here are two more. These may be based on the Simtel20 copy, but the overall file organization seems to be slightly different. agjeung@volcano.berkeley.edu There is a copy of King James at volcano.Berkeley.EDU, available via anonymous FTP. It is in /pub/Library/Bible. Each book is in a separate file. From the description in agjeung's message, this looks like the same format as the Simtel20 copy. frog!jp@harvard.harvard.edu You can find it in nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) in directory pub/doc/bible/english. Filename in bible.tar.Z. It is 1,663,398 bytes. It is probably a bad idea to FTP this from the U.S. There is also concordance in same directory in file bible.info.Z. It is 1711481 bytes. Don R. Wiseman If you own a ibm-pc/compatible and pkxarc then you can get the kjv of the bible at 128.252.135.4 (wuarchive.wustl.edu). This is an anonymous ftp site. There are six files (I think it was six) in the directory mirror/msdos/bible. There are also a few other pieces of software in that directory that may interest you. There is at least one bible quiz game and also some word-search type software. II. Computerized Bible programs for micros A. Andrews University: The Lamp st0o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Steven Timm) Andrews University publishes "The Lamp" a computerized concordance of the Bible also containing the entire text of the Bible, in KJV, NIV, soon in RSV and Spanish. Price ($119). Environment: MS-DOS 2.0 or higher. This uses less disk space (4.5 Mb) and sells for less money and is of higher search speed than most other programs in its class. I was on the development team for this program and therefore recommend it highly. [At this point follows a fairly long ad. I'm omitting it for reasons of space. Major features are searches on words and phrases, with wildcards, control over case-sensitivity, control over how much context is seen when displaying the results, output of ASCII for wordprocessors, a built-in word processor, subject references on 255 topics, ability to add crossreferences and notes. It runs on IBM PC, and needs 512K of memory, 3.5MB of disk space (hard disk required), and sells for $119.94 for KJV or $129.95 for NIV. A demo version with just John is $5. An older version for systems without hard disk is $20 less. Contact Steven Timm, at 412-683-3780 or 519 Semple St. Apt 3, Pittsburgh, PA 15213.] B. NIV PC software from International Bible Society. Brian Nixon The following are listed in the 1990 catalogue of International Bible Society, P.O. Box 62970, Colorado Springs, CO 80962-2970 (719)488-9200 (800)524-1588 FAX (719)488-0870 NIV Wordsearch IBM (Search entire Bible) $59 NIV PC (Search entire Bible in English; some Greek capabilities) $229.95 NIV PC Demo Disk Packet $10 The above are available in 5-1/4" and 3-1/2" formats. Shipping charges are extra. You can ask for a free catalogue. They used to be called the New York International Bible Society. I haven't used these products. C. WORDsearch Computer Bible from NavPress jgj@ssd.csd.harris.com (Jeff Jackson) Jeff includes a description from the Christian Book Distributors catalog. CBD can be contacted at 508-532-5300. WORDsearch COMPUTER BIBLE Ever feel that you spend most of your Bible study time just looking things up? Welcome to WORDsearch software from NavPress! It's one of the most powerful, user-friendly computer concordances on the market. You can track down any word, phrase, root word, combinations of words, or topic--in under two seconds! You can transfer information to a word processor, or record your notes among the verses--super for lesson plans, lecture notes, and sermons. Requirements: * IBM PC, XT, AT, PS/2, or compatible * Hard disk (uses about 2.5 meg) with floppy disk drive * 256K of memory; 320K to use all 20 sections * IBM-compatible display adapter * 80-character display (a color display enhances the system tremendously!) * DOS 2.0 or above. Packed in a dustproof cardboard box. An NIV demo disk of Genesis is included in both the NIV and KJV packages. 35269 KJV 3.5" WORDsearch Computer Bible NV79.00 59.95 36656 KJV 5.25" WORDsearch Computer Bible NV79.00 59.95 35331 NIV 3.5" WORDsearch Computer Bible NV79.00 59.95 37423 NIV 5.25" WORDsearch Computer Bible NV79.00 59.95 hedrick@cs.rutgers.edu In addition to CBD, WORDsearch advertises directly. They have a phone number of 800-888-9898 James Akiyama WordSearch. A commercial product which is "pre-indexed" to allow blinding fast search speeds. Has KJV and NIV available (and maybe others). D. THE WORD processor (Bible Research Systems) hedrick@cs.rutgers.edu According to ads, can be contaced at 512-251-7541 vanderkw@eric.mpr.ca (Mike Vanderkwaak) Bible Research Systems 2013 Wells Branch Parkway Suite 304 Austin Texas 78728 1-800-423-1228 James Akiyama 1. The Word Processor (Bible Research Systems). A commercial product which was one of the first two on the market (along with Word, Inc's offering). It is a modular system where the user buys the features he/she wants. Price ranges from about $200 to over $1000 depending your options. Has KJV and NIV available (I think they may have added NKJV too). Also has, as options, the Strongs reference numbers to the Hebrew and Greek text allowing root word searching. E. Compubible hedrick@cs.rutgers.edu According to ads, can be contacted at Compubible: 806-866-4223 F. Foundation Press Publications hedrick@cs.rutgers.edu According to ads, can be contacted at 714-630-6450 vanderkw@eric.mpr.ca (Mike Vanderkwaak) Foundation Press Publications P.O. Box 6439 Anaheim, CA 92816 (714) 630-6450 G. Bible Quest According to ads, can be contacted at 800-336-6644 H. Lockman Foundation Mike Hachigian The NAS Bible as you probably know is copyrighted by the Lockman Foundation. The Lockman Foundation is today offering an online Bible Search program for ~$130 that runs on the IBM PC and compatibles. At the end of April, the Lockman foundation released thier first edition of the MacBible. It is just the ASCII text of the NASB. The regular price is $59.95, but during the month of May, they are charging $39.95. I have recieved a copy, and the copyright does allows one to convert the text to a PC providing the copy on the Mac is removed. I have done the convertion, and it is readable on the PC when decompressed. I. Woodside Bible Fellowship vanderkw@eric.mpr.ca (Mike Vanderkwaak) The ONLINE BIBLE and CONCORDANCE v3.03 Copyright (c) 1989, Woodside Bible Fellowship v3.03 Mr. Larry Pierce R.R. 2, West Montrose, Ont., Canada, N0B 2V0 J. QuickVerse, from Parsons Technology vanderkw@eric.mpr.ca (Mike Vanderkwaak) Parsons Technology 375 Collins Road NE Cedar Rapids, IOWA 52402 1-800-223-6925 hedrick@cs.rutgers.edu I use this regularly. It allows search by word or phrase, or by reference. Wildcarding is allowed. It will output to a file for use by your wordprocessor. It displays a screen full of context. Versions available for IBM PC and Mac, for several translations, including KJV, RSV, and NIV. About $50 (relatively inexpensive -- most packages are around $100). Gene Gross I wanted an electronic Bible for my PC at home. I kept putting it off until I found QuickVerse by Parsons Technology. This package is loaded with great features. One that really sold me on it was the ability to not only tie a note to a verse but to tie a note to any word in a verse. You can get this package with several Bible translation versions: KJV, NIV, NKJV, RSV, and NRSV. You can also get a Hebrew-Greek transliteration that is annotated with Strong's number so you can search by that number. There is a Hebrew/Greek dictionary that is also user-modifiable. One really neat feature is Indexing. You can create topical indexes, put the verses in any order, and search topical indexes. This package is fast, easy to learn to use, and quite sophisticated in its presentation. K. WORDworks Software Architects vanderkw@eric.mpr.ca (Mike Vanderkwaak) WORDworks Software Architects 5014 Lakeview Drive Austin, TX 78732 1-800-888-9898 L. PD/shareware versiosn vanderkw@eric.mpr.ca (Mike Vanderkwaak) Call 1-800-426-DISK and ask for their PD/shareware catalog. They have several programs (text search on King James, NIV; trivia; Bible adventure) that may be of interest. [Beware of the NIV -- the text of the NIV is copyrighted. I doubt that it's legal to distributed it in PD or shareware form --clh] M. BibleSoft. vanderkw@eric.mpr.ca (Mike Vanderkwaak) BibleSoft. It runs on IBM compatible PCs. - comes standard with 3 versions (NIV, KJV, ASV) - can display all three versions at once in seperate windows - can scroll through text - has a feature to keep the windows in sync - goto feature to locate a new verse - concordance feature to do word and phrase searching; some wildcards and case sensitive or insensitive searches are supported - cross reference feature which allows you to build and save your own "subject" file - builtin word processor and notepad - allows you to quickly transfer verses into your notepad or word file as well as type other text - word processor allows importing or exporting of files to DOS - word processor has a nice printing program - search the entire Bible in 2 minutes or less - each version takes up 1.5 Mb or hard disk space (or 5 360K floppy disks) Features than can be added: - 3 additional versions (NKJ, LVB, RSV) - Strong's Greek and Hebrew Dictionary For more info call Biblesoft at (206) 824-0547. N. LDSview vanderkw@eric.mpr.ca (Mike Vanderkwaak) LDSView and may be obtained from Salt Lake Distribution Center 1999 West 1700 South Salt Lake City, UT 84104 For further information call (801) 531-4993 O. Bookmaster Bible from Koala-T Software vanderkw@eric.mpr.ca (Mike Vanderkwaak) Check out the Bookmaster Bible from Koala-T Software in San Diego. You can get a fully functional demo with the Gospels for about $5. Contact Mark Plummer Koala-T Software 3255 Wing St. Suite 220 San Diego, CA 92110 (619) 558-9228 P. Word, Inc. James Akiyama An offering from Word, Inc. They too were among the first, but I haven't seen much of them lately. Their system was powerful for its time; including multiple windows, use of color, etc. This too is a commercial product. Q. Godspeed James Akiyama Godspeed. A shareware program which uses "pre-indexing". R. Biblequest James Akiyama BibleQuest. A shareware/commercial product. S. Bible Word Program, a free program from James Akiyama for DOS, Unix, etc. James Akiyama Finally, I offer a "free" program (not public domain to meet certain copyright requirements with various Bible translators and to help prevent "virus" infections) called the Bible Word Program. This program is not "pre-indexed" so it doesn't offer the very high speed searching capabilities (the reasons for this are probably outside the context of this discussion, I will Email you more information if you want). It offers most of the text from the University of Pennsylvania (or will shortly). The program is designed to run on the IBM PC (DOS and some Unix environments) as well as many Unix platforms (including DEC VAXes, Sun-3, Sun-4, Apollo's 3000, Tektronix UTEK stations, etc). I am also trying to obtain a general license release from International Bible Society so that I can include the NIV text. Not sure what the arrangements here will be. T. Hyperbible (Mac) with Thompson Chain Reference Rex Espiritu I've been using HyperBible with the Thompson Chain Reference on the Mac. It's been very good for study et. al. It takes good advantage of the Mac user interface/icons... It comes in either KJV or NIV versions. I have the NIV, which for some reason is slightly more expensive. Anyway, it's great stuff on the Mac. And boy does it fly on the IIfx at work. (It's ok on the + at home, too.) It takes up about 15 meg on a hard disk. U. BWMASTER Jason Y. Gabler The "24th Stree Exchange" BBS in Sacramento, California has the RSV Bible on line for free. I believe there are some registration forms to download with "not to be used for profit" deals ( which is fine by me). The BBS is at (916) 451-7179. The files are in 'area #20: Special Interst Files' You need: BWRSV**.ZIP (1 thru 6) BWMASTER.ZIP I have not really fooled with it yet, but the files are in a strange format that I believe BWMASTER.ZIP will translate. Just get registered ( it takes about a day ), and download away. V. Word workers (PC-SIG) _Jason Y. Li I know one Bible study utility on IBM PC. It is called "word workers". It is a public domain program (PC-SIG CD ROM) and you should be able to get access to it. Try it out then you will know how good it is. Pitty it only has new testament text (probably in compressed form). I do not know when newer version of WW will be out. I am certainly looking forward to it because this is my favourite Bible Study utility. If you want to find more about WW package, I can send you READ.ME file by Email. W. REFER -- shareware search software on SIMTEL Mark Towfiq I have uploaded to SIMTEL20: pd1: REFRKJV1.ZIP Powerful Biblical search/extraction tool. 1of3 REFRKJV2.ZIP Powerful Biblical search/extraction tool. 2of3 REFRKJV3.ZIP Powerful Biblical search/extraction tool. 3of3 REFER is a shareware program written for the MS-DOS operating system. (Shareware registration information is included in the program.) It is meant as an aid to the study of the Holy Bible. It provides a quick and powerful means of retrieving passages from any of the books of the Bible, using a concordance-like structure, commonly known as "key word in context" (KWIC). To access the Bible, you tell REFER which word (or words) you are seeking and which books to include in the search. In response, REFER will display a list of the places where the key word occurs within the books you have selected. The chapter and verse includes the exact locations of the key word's occurences--listed as chapter and verse of a book--and a small amount of context for each. If you select any of these occurances, the text in which the key word is located will be displayed. This text can be printed, sent to a file, or exported to a word processor. Please note the sizes of these files and be certain you have enough disk space when downloading them from SIMTEL20 or its mirrors. REFRKJV1.ZIP - 247,206 REFRKJV2.ZIP - 2,104,156 REFRKJV3.ZIP - 1,217,709 REFRKJV2.ZIP and REFRKJV3.ZIP each contain one large data file and a short READ.ME explaining that the other two ZIPs are required to complete the package. III. Other items A. German Bibles. Michael Vishchers, michaelV@owl.informatik.uni-dortmund.edu offers to respond to queries about German machine-readable Bibles. His information is all about commercial versions (DM 40 to DM 900, 1 US$ = DM 1.78). Thomas Gaenshirt Interested on a german bibel-translation on disk? It is the "nicht revidierte Elbersfelder"-translation, the most closest to the greek und hebrew text. The bibeltext ist free. Only fees for posting and disks will be claimed. Together with this text I offer a very handsome program for listing bibel- verses. price for this programm: 20 Deutsch-Marks or 12 $. Please write to Thomas Gaenshirt Flensburgerstr. 39 D-6000 Frankfurt 50 B. High Tech Bible - separate device with Bible builtin ben@pacbell.com (Ben Sevilla) According to a letter sent to my sister-in-law, the October 30,1989 Issue of Time Magazine(Hongkong edition) announced a "HIGH TECH BIBLE" on page 43. This is supposed to be a compact computer of a size of a pocket calculator produced by a New Jersey based " Franklin Computer" company. There are two versions: King James and Revised Standard Version(RSV). The price listing is supposed to be $299.00. If the RSV computer includes the APOCRYPHA(Deutero-canonical books for Catholics) will somebody let me know where to get them? C. Bits, Bytes, and Biblical Studies vanderkw@eric.mpr.ca (Mike Vanderkwaak) I recommend that you get a copy of "Bits, Bytes and Biblical Studies" by John Hughes (published by Zondervan). This book has 600+ pages of information on computer-assisted biblical studies. D. IBYCUS system James Akiyama The other part to this question is what programs are available. Probably the "first" computerized text system which provided a large database at a relatively affordable price was the IBYCUS system. It was a dedicated system and used CD-ROMs for text storage. Much of the work done at TLG (Thesaurus Linguae Graecae, at University of CA, Irvine), CCAT (Center for Computer Analysis of Text, University of Penn), and PHI (Packard Humanities Institute) was aimmed towards the IBYCUS system. E. Online Bible software for Unix Richard L. Goerwitz Program: Bibleref Language: Icon Purpose: Perform word and passage-based retrievals on the King James Bible Files: bibleref.src convertb.icn convertr.icn listutil.icn name2num.icn passutil.icn readfile.icn ref2bmap.icn srchutil.icn This package, Bibleref, offers simple tools for word and passage-based access to the King James Bible on UNIX platforms. Bibleref is fast, and easy to install (assuming you possess a suitable King James Bible text and a sufficiently powerful machine). It will also run with stock terminals - even nasty old ones that leave magic cookies on your screen. Bibleref will, however, put a significant dent in your mass storage resources. Along with the 4-5 megabytes of King James Bible text, you'll need to house some 2 megabytes of indices, and also the 150k icode file (more if you compile, rather than interpret). [However the current version uses a Huffman-coded database, which reduces the disk space to about 5.2 MB for the whole thing, including program, data, and indices] In-core requirements start at about 500k, and go up from there (if your searches are complex enough, you could easily eat up two or three megabytes). In brief: Bibleref has a large appetite for memory. Once set up, though, it can operate with fairly minimal impact on the CPU. With Bibleref, you can perform most of the more basic, low-level functions commercial Bible browsing packages offer (and perhaps a few not found in some of the commercial packages). You can, for example, - retrieve any passage in the Bible instantaneously - move forward or backward relative to the retrieved passage - search the entire Bible for words and/or word-patterns - search for word co-occurrences (or the absence thereof) - save passages and/or passage-lists for use with an editor Although this program is hardly the product of any major research effort :-), it should prove sophisticated enough for quick lookup of passages whose precise location you have forgotten, for research on sermons and Bible study classes, and for general topical perusal of the biblical text. In response to all the queries I've received, let me offer several bits of information: The program is written in Icon. Icon is a high-level string processing language suitable for tasks such as this. It can be obtained from cs.arizona.edu. It is free (supported by many years of hard labor, contributions, and government grants). The texts on which my program is based (PD KJV texts) may be obtained from a variety of sources. In particular, check out the PC-SIG disk set (19 disks) on wsmr-simtel20.army.mil. I obtained my texts from from helens.stanford.edu (36.0.2.99; kjv.tar.Z). These are PD. No strings attached. No strings attached to my program, either. [It appears that the newest distribution has the text with it, though] If anyone has a different biblical text they would like to use, please send it to me, and I'll incorporated it into the distribution. [A new version of the program is on] cs.arizona.edu (directory icon/contrib; the file is called biblerefNN.tar.Z, where NN seems to change -- it looks like a version number). It's written in Icon, and should run on just about any UNIX platform that has Icon installed. I've mentioned this program before in this forum. I re-mention it here for several reasons. First of all, the version uploaded to cs.arizona. edu is pre-indexed; the version posted to comp.sources.misc wasn't. What this means is that set-up takes just a few minutes, as opposed to many hours. I've Huffman encoded the database this time as well, so if the original KJV was about 5 meg, the full package with indexes and all is not going to take up more than about 5.2 meg. Finally, the source is freely available, with no strings attached. If you like the program, put it on your company's central server. Makes no difference to me. Just enjoy. F. Newsletters, magazines, etc., with information Cindy Smith Sorry if anyone's posted this information before but I thought you'd like to know that the November/December 1990 issue of Biblical Archaelogy Review (BAR) contains an article called "Computers and the Bible" by John J. Hughes. In it, he discusses all the different Bible-related programs; it isn't an exhaustive survey but gives you some good ideas. It discusses various Bible concording programs, grammatical concording programs, CD-ROM resources, electronic Bibles, Greek and Hebrew fonts, machine-readable Biblical texts, and computer-assisted language-learning programs. It gives a sample listing of programs, sources, and addresses. Some computer publications addresses I thought I'd post are: Bits & Bytes Review 6230 Iowa Ave. Whitefish, MT 59937 406-862-7280 Church Bytes 562 Brightleaf Sq. #9 905 West Main Street Durham, NC 27701 Christian Computer Magazine Hewlen, Inc. P.O. Box 439 Belton, MO 64012 816-331-3881 The Hebrew Users' Group Newsletter c/o Berkeley Hillel Foundation 2736 Bancroft Way Berkeley, CA 94704 415-845-7793 The author says that the most comprehensive and current listing of Bible-related computer products is the Hermeneutika Catalog P.O. Box 98563 Seattle, WA 98198 (800) 55BIBLE His own publication he considers the most comprehensive source of detailed information about Bible-related computer resources: Bits, Bytes, and Biblical Studies: A Resource Guide for the Use of Computers in Biblical and Classical Studies Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1987, 643 pp.; Zondervan Electronic Publishing 1415 Lake Drive, SE Grand Rapids, MI 49506 800-727-7759 He notes that the immediately preceding contains dated reference work, program reviews, and extensive bibliographies and comparitive charts. BAR says that it is starting a new column in its magazine called Computer Corner. A forthcoming issue is supposed to contain archaelogical applications. G. ScriptureFonts, Greek and Hebrew fonts for WordPerfect Cindy Smith I have heard from my Greek professor, confirmed in BAR, that you're better of with an Apple than an IBM, but for those of us who have IBM's, and WordPerfect 5.0 or 5.1 and who would like to be able to enter, edit, display and print fully accented Greek and properly pointed Hebrew, ScriptureFonts is available, a WordPerfect add-on. H. Turkish NT J{rvel{inen Pekka) There is a modern Turkish translation of the New Testament in IBM-format available via anonymous ftp from nic.funet.fi (128.214.46.21) in directory pub/doc/bible/turkish. Copyright belongs to The Translation Trust 38 Vancouver Rd London SE23 2AF UK Tel: (81) 699 6799 Fax: (81) 291 6764 The Translation Trust will help in any case you need copies of the New Testament or have questions. I list below the ASCII codes assigned to the special Turkish characters in the IBM Turkish Character Set. Character names are like PostScript Language Reference Manual. 159 scedilla 158 Scedilla 135 ccedilla 128 Ccedilla 129 udieresis 154 Udieresis 148 odieresis 153 Odieresis 167 gcaron 166 Gcaron 141 dotlessi 152 Idotaccent 131 acircumflex 140 icircumflex 150 ucircumflex There are also English Bible and Finnish New Testament. If you know other ascii bibles, please mail me. I'll collect them to nic.funet.fi. Please reply me in English, Finnish, Swedish or German; I. recording of Alexander Scourgy's reading the KJV Dave Davis This is excerpted from the review in Library Journal (8/91 p.166; R.A.Green, reviewer): The late Alexander Scourby's dramatic and eloquent reading of the scriptures is positively without equal, and he is fondly remembered as one of the most sensitive and knowing narrators in the business. 48 cassettes. unabridged. 72 hrs. 1984 ISBN: 1879010054 $129.95 Available from: Bible Recordings, PO Box 855 Helmet CA 92343 (714-927-6891) From JRA102@psuvm.psu.edu Thu Aug 22 14:41:22 1991 Received: from gatech.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07407; Thu, 22 Aug 91 14:41:22 EDT Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU by gatech.edu (4.1/Gatech-9.1) id AA25822 for christian@aramis.rutgers.edu; Thu, 22 Aug 91 14:40:37 EDT Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R1) with BSMTP id 3762; Thu, 22 Aug 91 14:40:41 EDT Received: by PSUVM (Mailer R2.08) id 0017; Thu, 22 Aug 91 14:40:40 EDT To: SOC-RELIGION-CHRISTIAN@gatech.edu Organization: Penn State University Date: Thursday, 22 Aug 1991 14:38:38 EDT From: Jim Achuff Message-Id: <91234.143838JRA102@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Looking for Software... A friend of mine said that he saw a software package called the Bible Library on CD ROM somewhere and was hoping that he could get on floppy rather than on an OD. It is produced by Ellis Enterprises and includes a complete concordance as well as greek and hebrew texts. If you know where he can get it, please let me know. Thanks. ------- Jim Achuff : PCLIB maintenance : Penn State and IBM are who I JRA102@PSUVM.PSU.EDU : Sr. Student Consultant : work for....but Jesus Christ IBM PS/2 Student Rep : Student Operator : is who I live for. From cbnewsc!wcsa@att.att.com Wed Oct 23 07:36:31 1991 Received: from att.att.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA05387; Wed, 23 Oct 91 07:36:31 EDT To: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 23 Oct 91 07:22:37 EDT From: wcsa@iwtdr.att.com (Willard Smith) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: wcsa Subject: Re: ftp'able Book of Mormon? Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Indian Hill West - Naperville, IL Distribution: na Message-Id: <1991Oct23.112229.22587@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> Summary: I have an assci copy References: Sender: usenet@cs.ucla.edu (Mr. News Himself) Nntp-Posting-Host: valeria.cs.ucla.edu Reply-To: wales@cs.ucla.edu (Rich Wales) Organization: UCLA CS Department, Los Angeles References: Date: Wed, 23 Oct 91 22:34:39 GMT Apparently-To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net Tom LaStrange asked for a copy of the Book of Mormon available via Internet anonymous FTP. This is available on cwdynm.cwru.edu (129.22.64.6), in the directory "scriptures/ALL.tarred", in the file "BOM.tar.Z" (512,685 bytes). -- Rich Wales // UCLA Computer Science Department 3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 // +1 (213) 825-5683 From wales@cs.ucla.edu Mon Oct 28 17:26:13 1991 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from Valeria.CS.UCLA.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28409; Mon, 28 Oct 91 17:26:07 EST Received: by valeria.cs.ucla.edu (Sendmail 5.61a+YP/3.13) id AA16307; Mon, 28 Oct 91 14:25:59 -0800 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1991 14:25:58 -0800 (PST) From: Rich Wales Message-Id: <911028.222558z.16277.wales@valeria.cs.ucla.edu> To: Richard L Goerwitz , William H Jefferys , Lih-Chyun S Shu , Charles Hedrick Subject: FTP'able Book of Mormon available again now The FTP'able Book of Mormon is once again available via anonymous FTP >From cwdynm.cwru.edu, as I earlier announced. The person in charge of cwdynm.cwru.edu was not aware of my announcement and mistakenly interpreted the large number of anonymous FTP logins as evidence of a security breach. He responded in what he felt was the only reasonable way, by turning off anonymous FTP access on his machine. Please note that I do not run cwdynm.cwru.edu (which is at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio) and had no direct control over this situation. I've explained the situation to him, and he's reinstated anonymous FTP access to his machine. So you should now be able to get the online Book of Mormon. Please let me know if you continue to encounter problems. Rich Wales // UCLA Computer Science Department 3531 Boelter Hall // Los Angeles, CA 90024-1596 // +1 (213) 825-5683 From news@usc.edu Fri Nov 1 21:02:16 1991 Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12022; Fri, 1 Nov 91 21:02:16 EST Received: from usc.edu by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA19214; Fri, 1 Nov 91 18:01:59 -0800 Received: by usc.edu (5.64+/SMI-3.0DEV3) id AA22891; Fri, 1 Nov 91 18:01:55 PST To: soc-religion-christian@ucbvax.berkeley.edu Path: usc!pollux.usc.edu!kjh From: kjh@pollux.usc.edu (Kenneth J. Hendrickson) Newsgroups: alt.messianic,soc.religion.christian Subject: Unix Bible Tools Message-Id: <37066@usc.edu> Date: 2 Nov 91 02:01:53 GMT Sender: news@usc.edu Followup-To: alt.messianic Organization: EE-Systems, USC, Los Angeles Lines: 189 Nntp-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu I don't know if these are the right newsgroups, but I don't know what the right newsgroups for this stuff would be. I love Unix! I hate DOS. (Reminds you of Esau and Jacob, huh?) Therefore, I want to use all the great Unix tools on my on-line Bible. These tools assume that your Bible is formated one file/book, and one verse/line. The .env.sh file sets up useful environment variables for the Bourne shell. Bf.awk and bf2.awk format the text nicely. Bf.awk is for formatting verses for a 80 character screen or file, and bf2.awk is for formatting verses from two different translations simultaneously. Example of how to use bf.awk: cat kjv/matt | awk -f bf.awk | more Example of how to use bf2.awk: for verse in 16 17 18 19 20 21; do grep '^3:$verse ' kjv/john grep '^3:$verse ' niv/john done | awk -f bf2.awk | more The possibilities are almost endless, as any Unix-lover knows. And here are the goodies: #! /bin/sh # This is a shell archive. Remove anything before this line, then unpack # it by saving it into a file and typing "sh file". To overwrite existing # files, type "sh file -c". You can also feed this as standard input via # unshar, or by typing "sh .env.sh <<'END_OF_.env.sh' X#! /bin/sh # This file must be run with the '.' command. XLAW='gen ex lev num deut' XWRITINGS='josh judg ruth 1sam 2sam 1kin 2kin 1chr 2chr ezra neh esth job ps prov eccl song' XPROPHETS='is jer lam ezek dan hos joel amos obad jon mic nah hab zeph hag zech mal' X# Major and Minor Prophets as called by Augustine XMAJOR='is jer ezek' XMINOR='hos joel amos obad jon mic nah hab zeph hag zech mal' XOT='gen ex lev num deut josh judg ruth 1sam 2sam 1kin 2kin 1chr 2chr ezra neh esth job ps prov eccl song is jer lam ezek dan hos joel amos obad jon mic nah hab zeph hag zech mal' XSYNOPTIC='matt mark luke' XGOSPELS='matt mark luke john' XPASTORAL='1tim 2tim titus' X# General Epistles as called by Eusebius XGENERAL='james 1pet 2pet 1john 2john 3john jude' XEPISTLES='rom 1cor 2cor gal eph phil col 1thess 2thess 1tim 2tim titus philem heb james 1pet 2pet 1john 2john 3john jude' XNT='matt mark luke john acts rom 1cor 2cor gal eph phil col 1thess 2thess 1tim 2tim titus philem heb james 1pet 2pet 1john 2john 3john jude rev' XBIBLE='gen ex lev num deut josh judg ruth 1sam 2sam 1kin 2kin 1chr 2chr ezra neh esth job ps prov eccl song is jer lam ezek dan hos joel amos obad jon mic nah hab zeph hag zech mal matt mark luke john acts rom 1cor 2cor gal eph phil col 1thess 2thess 1tim 2tim titus philem heb james 1pet 2pet 1john 2john 3john jude rev' END_OF_.env.sh if test 1331 -ne `wc -c <.env.sh`; then echo shar: \".env.sh\" unpacked with wrong size! fi # end of overwriting check fi if test -f bf.awk -a "${1}" != "-c" ; then echo shar: Will not over-write existing file \"bf.awk\" else echo shar: Extracting \"bf.awk\" \(653 characters\) sed "s/^X//" >bf.awk <<'END_OF_bf.awk' X# This awk program formats Bible verses for an 80 character screen or file. X# Each Bible verse should be on one line, starting with chapter:verse. X# This program was written by Kenneth J. Hendrickson, kjh@pollux.usc.edu X# This program is freely distributable. The comments must not be removed. X X{ X printf "%s\t", $1; # Print chapter:verse. X pos = 8 * int(length($1) / 8) + 8; X for (i = 2; i <= NF; i++) # Print text. X if (pos + length($i) + 1 < 80) { X printf "%s ", $i; # up to 80 char/line. X pos += length($i) + 1; X } else { X printf "\n\t%s ", $i; # New line needed. X pos = 8 + length($i) + 1; X } X printf "\n"; # End of verse. X} END_OF_bf.awk if test 653 -ne `wc -c bf2.awk <<'END_OF_bf2.awk' X# This awk program formats Bible verses for an 80 character screen or file. X# Each Bible verse should be on one line, starting with chapter:verse. X# This program is intended for displaying two translations on the screen X# simultaneously. The two translations should be interspersed in the input X# to awk, with the same verse on adjacent lines. The program will check X# for this, and won't print the verses side by side unless adjacent verses X# have the same chapter:verse numbers. This means that the first field in X# adjacent lines must be identical. X# This program was written by Kenneth J. Hendrickson, kjh@pollux.usc.edu X# This program is freely distributable. The comments must not be removed. X XBEGIN {n1 = 0;} X Xlength($0) > 0 { # Ignore blank lines X if (n1 < 1) # Store verse from 1st translation. X n1 = split($0, trans1); X else { # Print both verses side by side if they are identical. X if (trans1[1] == $1) { X # Verses are identical. Print both of them. X n2 = split($0, trans2); X printf "%s\t", trans1[1]; X pos = 8 * int(length(trans1[1]) / 8) + 8; X i1 = i2 = 2; X while (i1<=n1 || i2<=n2) { X # First translation. X while (i1<=n1 && pos+length(trans1[i1])+1<44) { X pos += length(trans1[i1]) + 1; X printf "%s ", trans1[i1++]; X } X while (pos < 44) { X printf " "; X pos++; X } X # Second translation. X while (i2<=n2 && pos+length(trans2[i2])+1<80) { X pos += length(trans2[i2]) + 1; X printf "%s ", trans2[i2++]; X } X printf "\n"; X if (i1<=n1 || i2<=n2) { X printf "\t"; X pos = 8; X } X } X # Reinitialize. X n1 = n2 = 0; X } else { # Error - verses are not identical. X # Try to recover, by printing 1st verse only. X printf "%s\t", trans1[1]; X pos = 8 * int(length(trans1[1]) / 8) + 8; X for (i = 2; i <= n1; i++) X if (pos + length(trans1[i]) + 1 < 44) { X printf "%s ", trans1[i]; X pos += length(trans1[i]) + 1; X } else { X printf "\n\t%s ", trans1[i]; X pos = 8 + length(trans1[i]) + 1; X } X printf "\n"; X # Store current verse as 1st translation. X n1 = split($0, trans1); X } X } X} X XEND { # If a verse still exists that hasn't yet been printed, then print it. X if (n1) { X printf "%s\t", trans1[1]; X pos = 8 * int(length(trans1[1]) / 8) + 8; X for (i = 2; i <= n1; i++) X if (pos + length(trans1[i]) + 1 < 44) { X printf "%s ", trans1[i]; X pos += length(trans1[i]) + 1; X } else { X printf "\n\t%s ", trans1[i]; X pos = 8 + length(trans1[i]) + 1; X } X printf "\n"; X } X} END_OF_bf2.awk if test 2517 -ne `wc -c Sender: news@usenet.ins.cwru.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cwns9.ins.cwru.edu Reply-To: ak601@cleveland.freenet.edu (Scott Cattanach) Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) References: Date: Sun, 3 Nov 91 01:58:18 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net In a previous article, toml@morgul.solbourne.com (Tom LaStrange) says: >I'm looking for a copy of the Book of Mormon that I can ftp. Does one exist and >if so where can it be found? > There is a copy here on the CWRU freenet. It's not ftp-able, but publically accessable (telnet freenet-in-[a, b, or c].cwru.edu) -- -catt "Southern born and southern bred and when I die I'll be southern dead." - H. Williams, Jr. Scott Cattanach 120 N. Oak Park Ave #402 Home:708/848-9456 Oak Park, IL 60301 Work:312/507-4096 From aardvark@ial1.jsc.nasa.gov Wed Nov 20 12:25:59 1991 Received: from ial1.jsc.nasa.gov by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18784; Wed, 20 Nov 91 12:25:59 EST Received: by ial1.jsc.nasa.gov (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.15) id ; Wed, 20 Nov 91 11:14 CST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1991 11:16:26 -0600 To: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu From: "Mike Martin" Subject: RE: Greek New Testament for Mac > The subject line just about says it. I'd like to get hold of the Greek > New Testament, the LXX and preferably a Hebrew OT for the Macintosh. > Can anybody out there suggest where I might start looking? Two suggestions: Zondervan Electronic Publishing Div. 1-800-727-7759 ask for Marilyn, (Mac Software Section) They have a very nice program called MacBible that has several modules (versions of the Bible) available. They have the NIV, KJV, NRSV, NAB (Catholic), Greek, Hebrew, and Septuagint. MacBible was recently reviewed in MacWorld. I own the NAB module and am very pleased with it. Searching for verses on my Mac II is nearly instantaneous. I am considering adding additional modules. Linguist's Software 206-775-1130 If you want just 'text' files then you might try Linguist's Software. The have the texts in nearly every language imaginable. As I recall, the also have the Greek NT, Septuagint and Hebrew as well. Mike Martin From news@sunova.ssc.gov Wed Nov 20 15:15:31 1991 Received: from mail.cis.ohio-state.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12243; Wed, 20 Nov 91 15:15:31 EST Received: from sunova.ssc.gov by mail.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.911008) id AA21222; Wed, 20 Nov 91 15:15:27 -0500 Received: by sunova.ssc.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17570; Wed, 20 Nov 91 14:15:22 CST Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: sscvx1.ssc.gov!chip From: chip@sscvx1.ssc.gov (Chip Hawley) Subject: Re: Greek New Testament for Mac Message-Id: <1991Nov20.201517.17524@sunova.ssc.gov> Sender: usenet@sunova.ssc.gov (News Admin) Nntp-Posting-Host: horse.ssc.gov Organization: SSC Laboratory References: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1991 20:15:17 GMT Apparently-To: soc-religion-christian@cis.ohio-state.edu In article A.G.Minter@bnr.co.uk (Andrew G. Minter) writes: > > The subject line just about says it. I'd like to get hold of the Greek > New Testament, the LXX and preferably a Hebrew OT for the Macintosh. > Can anybody out there suggest where I might start looking? > Zondervan has a product called "MacBible" in NIV, NRSV, KJV or RSV ($129.00 list EACH; $74.95-89.95 from CBD). It also has a Greek NT, and Hebrew OT options ($199 list EACH; $129.95 EACH from CBD). I have a demo of this product (NIV) and it works well for searches. It is available from several sources including Family Bookstores and Christian Book Distributors (508-977-4550). NavPress has "MacINTOSH WORDsearch" but it only comes in KJV, NKJ, NRSV and NIV (KJV is $59.00 list, the others are $79.00 list, EACH). They have a PC version available with Strong's Hebrew & Greek dictionaries and Nave's Topical Bible. I have no info on it other than it is available from CBD as well. Most of the computer Bible study material are definitely MS-DOS-based. Apparently, many publishers don't think there are many Mac users who are also Bible users. They are mistaken. However, if you should want to try some MS-DOS computer Bible programs, you can use SoftPC (version 2.5 is out, but I don't have pricing) and just about any DOS program you want, and some of them are pretty cheap. UNIVERSAL SoftPC 2.5 allows you to use MS-DOS CD-ROM Bible products (there are several), if you have a Apple CD-ROM drive. DOS Bible programs were reviewed in the Sept.(?) 1990 issue of Christianity Today. This solution is more costly, but it gives you many more options. If there is a public domain Greek and/or Hebrew text (Mac or non-Mac), I'd like to know as well. Chip Hawley SSC Laboratory chip@horse.ssc.gov ___________________________________________________________________________ The opinions expressed herein are solely my responsibility, and are not necessarily those of the SSC Lab nor the Department of Energy. From mcyang@pollux.usc.edu Mon Mar 9 17:02:41 1992 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22637; Mon, 9 Mar 92 17:02:41 EST Received: from relay2.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AA03101; Mon, 9 Mar 92 17:02:44 -0500 Received: from usc.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA18684; Mon, 9 Mar 92 17:02:43 -0500 Received: from pollux.usc.edu by usc.edu (5.64+/SMI-3.0DEV3) id AA29375; Mon, 9 Mar 92 14:02:32 PST Received: by pollux.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3) id AA19171; Mon, 9 Mar 92 14:02:32 PST Date: Mon, 9 Mar 92 14:02:32 PST From: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Yeun) Message-Id: <9203092202.AA19171@pollux.usc.edu> To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net Subject: FrameMaker format for Old KJV Bible Path: news From: mitch@formosa.acsc.com Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: FrameMaker format for Old KJV Bible Date: 9 Mar 1992 14:02:30 -0800 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 6 Sender: mcyang@pollux.usc.edu (Bien-Chao Yeun) Distribution: world Message-ID: Thanks to brother Ken Zhao who has done the work of putting the Old KJV Bible into FrameMaker format. You can get it using the anonymous ftp from the following site : formosa.acsc.com (or 143.127.0.18) under /pub/Bible file name : KJV.maker.tar.Z From lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu Thu Apr 16 10:31:01 1992 Flags: 000000000001 Received: from andromeda.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08464; Thu, 16 Apr 92 10:30:48 EDT Received: by andromeda.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10552; Thu, 16 Apr 92 10:14:05 EDT Resent-Message-Id: <9204161414.AA10552@andromeda.rutgers.edu> Received: by andromeda.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10417; Thu, 16 Apr 92 10:09:09 EDT Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 10:09:09 EDT From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Louie Crew) Message-Id: <9204161409.AA10417@andromeda.rutgers.edu> To: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu Subject: New for PC: New Bible Software Searches by Subject 04/15/92 Reply-To: Resent-To: 76675.3032@compuserve.com, BHUCK@pennsas.upenn.edu, 76276.2206@compuserve.com, rajm@computer-science.manchester.ac.uk, ken_shrum@hpfcjtk.fc.hp.com, BENNETTR@vax001.kenyon.edu, landen@frith.egr.msu.edu, MZPA%UTDALLAS@rutvm1.rutgers.edu, jontom@ozbick.hq.ileaf.com, lumpy@milton.u.washington.edu, hedrick@cs.rutgers.edu, jackk@leland.stanford.edu, carlson@abcfd01.larc.nasa.gov, amanda@visix.com, joseph@bse.com, SCHLEUS@iubacs.bitnet, CCASKEY@iubacs.bitnet, 70145.172@compuserve.com, mbietz@heartland.bradley.edu, 70262.1424@compuserve.com, fhughes@lasalle.edu, 76100.3150@compuserve.com, digest@dragon.com, archerb@gawain.umkc.edu, MAUEL@cuplvx.ap.columbia.edu, 71230.774@compuserve.com, JKPEYTON@gallua.bitnet, 76047.50@compuserve.com, 71510.3066@compuserve.com, 76635.2074@compuserve.com, book@midway.uchicago.edu, 76340.3030@compuserve.com, cn0h@andrew.cmu.edu, 74017.3214@compuserve.com, 70145.172@compuserve.com, 70007.3215@compuserve.com, 76100.3150@compuserve.com, Gary.W.Vanloon@queensu.ca Resent-Date: Thu, 16 Apr 92 10:13:59 EDT Resent-From: Louie Crew Status: O >Path: andromeda.rutgers.edu!rutgers!stanford.edu!lll-winken!looking!newsbytes >From: newsbytes@clarinet.com >Newsgroups: clari.nb.ibm >Subject: New for PC: New Bible Software Searches by Subject 04/15/92 >Keywords: Bureau-DEN >Message-ID: >Date: 16 Apr 92 01:13:36 GMT >Lines: 33 >Approved: cn@clarinet.com HIAWATHA, IOWA, U.S.A., 1992 APR 15 (NB) -- Parsons Technology has announced Naves Topical Bible software for users who want to locate all bible verses related to a particular topic. The program contains 100,000 references divided into 5,000 main topics and 25,000 subtopics. Unlike most bible verse programs, which require the user to enter a word or a phrase, Naves Topical Bible locates passages specifically related to any area of interest. The subject word does not have to appear in the verse, the company claims. Used in conjunction with QuickVerse 2.0, Naves Topical Bible permits tailoring a search more specifically. For example, searching for the word "love" in all verses under the topic "marriage" would produce only those verses relating to love in the context of marriage. Topics can also be cross-referenced. In addition to use by students of the Bible, Parsons said the program could also be used to prepare sermons, Sunday School lessons, or Bible study lessons. The user can produce an outline to include verse references or the entire text of verses as well as the topic and subtopic headings. Outlines can be saved or printed to a file for use with a word processing program. Naves Topical Bible has a suggested list price of $39, and requires an IBM PC or compatible, QuickVerse 2.0, and a hard drive with 1.5 megabytes (MB) of available storage space. QuickVerse is a Bible concordance program available in seven different languages. QuickVerse costs $69 for the first language, and $39 for each additional language. (Jim Mallory/19920415/Press Contact: Anne Rawland, Parsons Technology, tel 319-395-9626, fax 319-395-0217) From joseph!joseph@bse.com Fri May 1 16:01:33 1992 Received: from uu.psi.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19469; Fri, 1 May 92 16:01:33 EDT Received: from joseph.UUCP by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.1.031792-PSI/PSINet) id AA29270; Fri, 1 May 92 15:53:21 -0400 Received: by bse.bse.com (uA-1.5v4); Fri, 1 May 92 14:53:17 EDT Received: by joseph.bse.com (uA-1.5v4); Fri, 1 May 92 14:57:15 EDT From: joseph@bse.com (Joseph E. Richardson) To: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu Subject: Shareware Bible verse screen saver for MS Windows Date: Fri, 1 May 92 14:57:15 EDT Organization: Berard Software Engineering, Inc. Reply-To: joseph@bse.com (Joseph E. Richardson) Message-Id: X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.5v4 Not too long ago, someone requested info on screen savers for PC's that would display Bible verses. Here's another variation if anyone's interested... >From the Feb 1992 Reasonable Solutions (a shareware distributor) catalog: "Bible Windows 1.2 An inspiring message from the Bible is just a mouse click away. It displays one of 366 carefully chosen Bible verses and one of 600 Bible questions. Also includes a screen saver which displays random Bible verses." Their prices are $3.50 to $4.50 per disk (depending on the type of disk and the quantity) plus $4 per order. Information (503) 776-5777 Orders (800) 876-3475 Disclaimer: I don't work for Reasonable Solutions and I haven't used the software described in this posting. --------Address--------Phone Number-------FAX Number--------Disclaimer----- Joseph E. Richardson | Phone: (301) 417-9884 |"He said WHAT???!!!" Berard Software Eng., Inc. | FAX: (301) 417-0021 | - my boss expressing 101 Lake Forest Blvd,Ste 360 | Email: joseph@bse.com | his agreement with Gaithersburg, MD 20877-2611 | | anything I say. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@noc2.dccs.upenn.edu Sun May 3 20:02:02 1992 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20776; Sun, 3 May 92 20:02:02 EDT Received: from NOC2.DCCS.UPENN.EDU by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17030; Sun, 3 May 92 20:01:59 EDT Return-Path: Received: by noc2.dccs.upenn.edu id AA07878; Sun, 3 May 92 20:01:57 -0400 To: soc-religion-christian@rutgers.edu Path: netnews.upenn.edu!netnews!mjd From: mjd@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Mark-Jason Dominus) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian,misc.misc Subject: KJV concordance available Message-Id: Date: 4 May 92 00:01:56 GMT Sender: news@noc2.dccs.upenn.edu Followup-To: soc.religion.christian Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 25 Nntp-Posting-Host: saul.cis.upenn.edu I just finished fabricating a concordance of the King James Version of the Bible. A concordance is like a low-level index: For each word that appears in the Bible, the concordance lists all the vreses in which that word appears. A sample entry from the concordance: Nineveh GEN 10:11-12 KI2 19:36 ISA 37:37 JON 1:2 3:2-7 4:11 NAH 1:1 2:8 3:7 ZEP 2:13 MAT 12:41 I don't know what reasons anyone (other than myself) might have for wanting such a thing, but Bible concordances have been produced before, so someone else must have wanted one before and I thought perhaps someone else might want one now. The concordance is about 2.5 megabytes long when uncompressed; it compresses to about one megabyte. It is free. I will mail it to anyone who wants it, or, if there is a lot of interest, I may make it available for anonymous FTP. Followups to misc.misc please. -- And for to see, and eke for to be seye Mark-Jason Dominus mjd@central.cis.upenn.edu From news@knight.vf.ge.com Tue May 5 13:40:31 1992 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10896; Tue, 5 May 92 13:40:31 EDT Received: from relay2.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AA23776; Tue, 5 May 92 13:40:28 -0400 Received: from aitgw.ge.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA06337; Tue, 5 May 92 13:40:25 -0400 Received: from [3.21.24.103] by aitgw.ge.com (5.65/GE Gateway 1.5) id AA01133; Tue, 5 May 92 13:43:35 -0400 Received: by knight.vf.ge.com (4.1/GEA server 2.5A) id AA03350; Tue, 5 May 92 13:38:35 EDT Date: Tue, 5 May 92 13:38:35 EDT From: news@knight.vf.ge.com Message-Id: <9205051738.AA03350@knight.vf.ge.com> To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: plohr@astro.dnet.ge.com From: plohr@astro.dnet.ge.com (Philip J. Lohr) Subject: Mac Bible Software comparison Message-ID: <1992May5.173831.3306@knight.vf.ge.com> Sender: news@knight.vf.ge.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 3.21.24.145 Organization: GE Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 5 May 1992 17:38:31 GMT Over the past several months I've posted several times about Bible programs for the Mac. I have pursued every possible lead to make sure there was no other alternatives out there. From this effort I have come up with four programs currently marketed for the Mac 1.) macBible from Zondervan, 2.) HyperBible from Beacon Technology, 3.) WordSearch from Nav. Press, 4.) Verse Search from Bible Research Systems. (Note: There is an NAS based product out there which I didn't take a closer look at as it did not fit my basic criteria.) I got the demo disk for each of the above and did a detailed comparison - the results of which are outlined below. Note that this comparison only discusses those things which I felt important for me to write down in order to make the best decision for what I wanted. It does not represent all there is to know and compare about these products for you to make a decision... eg. The Dec. 1991 issue of MacWorld compares #1, #2 and #4 and adds a completely different set of information - all which I believe is very helpful and correct - but does not show that what you pay x for in one product, you may end up paying 4x for in another. It also does not differentiate basic features from costly add-ons and what features are coming down the pike. (Things which I care about) I make these results available because so many have asked for them and because I know what a pain it was to gather the information. ******************************************************************** **** All that I ask is that you help me find someone who will **** **** purchase from me (cheap) the Mac version of HyperBible **** **** which I couldn't return because I had thrown away the **** **** box. (I even have the registration card - just no box). **** ******************************************************************** Note: There's nothing wrong with HyperBible - it's just not what I wanted and the HyperBible demo disk was misleading because it is a slide show rather than an operational copy. Mac Bible Comparison MacBible from Zondervan 616-698-3222 A. Pricing 1. $80 for each version, NIV, NRSV, KJV 2. $109 each for Grek and Hebrew 3. $80 for NIV Bible study notes and Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties B. Searchings 1. show, search or count modes 2. searches in (single) preselected range only, set of predefined ranges (eg. Epistles) 3. can also do page/window search 4. AND, OR, NOT, grouping and wild card 5. can do proximity searches - over multiple verses rather than just single verse 6. can do order specific searches of words C. Context Viewing 1. can look at references only or verses 2. can set range for context viewing, is brought up in separate window by double selecting on verse - very nice 3. can bring up multiple windows of Bible text with different versions 4. can tile or stack window 5. some formating of text view - lines per page, spaceing, font, etc. D. Personal Notes, Grouping of Verses 1. can group verses into verse files which can be exported to flat files or be left as verse files for later uses 2. can add and delete from verse files, sort and merge as well 3. can only have single verse file open at a time - disallows cut and paste between verse files 4. one comment is allowed for whole file, no other personal notes E. Greek and Hebrew StrongUs References 1. Greek and Hebrew texts - in fonts, but not StrongUs references 2. Exhaustive concordance (like StrongUs) coming in T93 F. Topical Reference, Chain Reference, & Other Indices 1. NIV Bible Study Notes, but no indices or chain ref. 2. NavUs topics coming, but no date set yet G. Summary 1. At $80, capabilities of basic package (searching, viewing, grouping) nicer than others. For instance search over multiple verses, complex search logic in simgle window, etc. 2. However, does not give option of advanced features (Exhaustive concordance, references, personal notes). HyperBible from Beacon Technology 800-777-1841 A. Pricing 1. $189 2. coming soon: parrallel translations (KJV,NIV)- standard; personal notes standard; StrongUs Concordance - add on B. Searchings 1. full AND, OR, NOT, facility - no practical limit to search combinations 2. has wild carding - * tagged to end of word - canUt begin word 3. always does full search - will not search on search results or placemark file 4. does topical searches (default option), eg. all verse which topically relate to faith as opposed to have the word faith 5. ranges by book, have filter which gives predefined selection (Epistles), not necessarily contiguous 6. can not do proximity searches 7. shows count of verses but not word count C. Context Viewing 1. in reference list / placemark file can look at references only or text view of verses 2. select verse, then bible icon gives scripture view window - single verse with forward and backward arrows 3. to see context as whole -select See Chapter button, gives just text 4. canUt have multiple context windows, but can look at multiple references from chain reference D. Personal Notes, Grouping of Verses 1. placemarks lists resultant from search or chosen manually by assigning placemark to verse 2. can add and delete from placemark lists, sort, save, name, reload, switch to text file - but canUt attach comments 3. only have one open at a time (thus canUt copy between or merge) 4. results of search - references list box - can copy references or text or a selected subset to clipboard or save it as placemark list 5. donUt support personal notes, but that is new feature which will be standard E. Greek and Hebrew StrongUs References 1. StrongUs Concordance (add on) is feature which is coming F. Topical Reference, Chain Reference, & Other Indices 1. complete set of ThompsonUs references - chain reference, index of topics, topical references lists, pronounciation keys, maps (can click on city name and see city on map) 2. can do some change of references - canUt change marginal notes, but when go to listing can change encyclopedia reference list G. Summary 1. A bit more expensive, but very extensive reference facilities may make it worth while for neophyte. 2. Focus is Study bible rather than Concordance - search and grouping features exist, but not up to others - awkward and time consuming to use. 3. Coming features (personal notes, multiple translations and StrongUs reference) puts it in the high end category (w/ Verse Search). WordSearch from Nav. Press 800-366-7788 A. Pricing 1. $80 for NIV, NKJV, NRSV and $60 for KJV,Living 2. StrongsUs KJV version (together) $90 3. NaveUs topics $40 B. Searchings 1. up to nine words or phrases searched at once, but must do multiple searches to do AND, OR and NOT or to search for words/phrases within ranges 2. works against text already in window or not in window - depending upon AND, OR or NOT 3. has wild carding 4. shows count of verses and ranges 5. can select multiple (up to nine) ranges to search 6. verse search only, not ranges C. Context Viewing 1. can look at references only or verses 2. full scripture is only view in context, must flip back and forth from verse selection to context view (can then copy any selection to notes) 3. can bring up multiple windows of Bible text with different versions D. Personal Notes, Grouping of Verses 1. any verses selected can be copied to notepad which is fully editable 2. can cut and paste between reference window, which remain sorted and unique when merged 3. file is combination of notes and references window, not flat file for export 4. can insert and delete from refs window 5. must cut and paste to export - has access to clipboard -either refs. or text to clipboard E. Greek and Hebrew StrongUs References 1. available 7/30/92 2. locate all occurances or any Greek, Hebrew, or English word in bible 3. Identify Greek and Hebrew words behind any English word 4. Search by word, passage or StrongUs ref 5. insantly access original definition of any word and follow Rlinked definitionsS F. Topical Reference, Chain Reference, & Other Indices 1. NavUs topics - available 10/30/92 G. Summary 1. At $80, capabilities of basic package (searching, viewing, grouping) a little bit awkward, especially in getting the results of a multiple search. Does however have multiple verse files and a nice way of annotating grouped verses. 2. Does (will) give a much cheaper way to get advanced features (StrongUs, references, personal notes) -can get combined Greek/Hebrew StrongUs for KJV for $90, topics for just $40 Verse Search from Bible Research Systems A. Pricing 1. expensive - basic search and text $100 2. $80 for each additional translation (5 total) 3. verse indexer $100; 210 topics indexes $50; 140 people indexes $50 4. Chronological bible $50 5. Greek / Hebrew $100 each (with or without $100 for text?) 6. Chain Ref $50 7. verse typist $50 B. Searchings 1. searches in range which is selected at time of search 2. >32 words or phrases searched at once with AND, OR 3. has wild carding 4. doesnUt show count of verses or occurances 5. findsverses in text one at a time, must do Rfind nextS to get to each subsequent C. Context Viewing 1. not a concern in basic package - always in context 2. in index can view individual verses (in separate window) and then contexts (separate windows) D. Personal Notes, Grouping of Verses 1. Verse Indexer $100 - can merge, sort, insert, delete - can give secription to index file - same search capability as above puts resulting verses in verse index - from there can view indvidual verse in separate window, view context in yet another window - can put multiple search results into index, and can put n selectively 2. Personal Commentary $50 - annotate each verse in separate window by double clicking on verse E. Greek and Hebrew StrongUs References 1. study original word usage - StrongUs Concordance 2. can fine all verses that contain specific Greek root 3. all English words that come from common Greek root along with frequency 4. Greek to English dictionary 5. can click on StrongUs ref # to study in detail F. Topical Reference, Chain Reference, & Other Indices 1. Chronological Bible - box chart index into Bible (search menu) - from there outline of chronological events for that era - can modify 2. Chain Reference - competely separate screen and tool, split window, single verse in each - verses linked, but topics not listed or indexed - limited usefulness - can add, delete G. Summary 1. With Verse Indexer provides good set of basic capabilities (searching, viewing, grouping) but costs $200. 2. Nice set of advanced features as well (StrongUs, references, personal notes), but very costly. From news@knight.vf.ge.com Tue May 12 12:31:59 1992 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11378; Tue, 12 May 92 12:31:59 EDT Received: from relay2.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AA05452; Tue, 12 May 92 12:31:56 -0400 Received: from aitgw.ge.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA08613; Tue, 12 May 92 12:31:57 -0400 Received: from [3.21.24.103] by aitgw.ge.com (5.65/GE Gateway 1.5) id AA23442; Tue, 12 May 92 12:34:51 -0400 Received: by knight.vf.ge.com (4.1/GEA server 2.5A) id AA25097; Tue, 12 May 92 12:30:07 EDT Date: Tue, 12 May 92 12:30:07 EDT From: news@knight.vf.ge.com Message-Id: <9205121630.AA25097@knight.vf.ge.com> To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: lohr@msgw.vf.ge.com From: lohr@msgw.vf.ge.com (Phil Lohr) Subject: Mac Bible Comparison Message-ID: <1992May12.163002.25053@knight.vf.ge.com> Sender: news@knight.vf.ge.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 3.21.24.101 Organization: GE Aerospace Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 12 May 1992 16:30:02 GMT Over the past several months I've posted several times about Bible programs for the Mac. I have pursued every possible lead to make sure there was no other alternatives out there. From this effort I have come up with four programs currently marketed for the Mac 1.) macBible from Zondervan, 2.) HyperBible from Beacon Technology, 3.) WordSearch from Nav. Press, 4.) Verse Search from Bible Research Systems. (Note: There is an NAS based product out there which I didn't take a closer look at as it did not fit my basic criteria.) I got the demo disk for each of the above and did a detailed comparison - the results of which are outlined below. Note that this comparison only discusses those things which I felt important for me to write down in order to make the best decision for what I wanted. It does not represent all there is to know and compare about these products for you to make a decision... eg. The Dec. 1991 issue of MacWorld compares #1, #2 and #4 and adds a completely different set of information - all which I believe is very helpful and correct - but does not show that what you pay x for in one product, you may end up paying 4x for in another. It also does not differentiate basic features from costly add-ons and what features are coming down the pike. (Things which I care about) I make these results available because so many have asked for them and because I know what a pain it was to gather the information. ******************************************************** **** All that I ask is that you help me find someone who will **** **** purchase from me (cheap) the Mac version of HyperBible **** **** which I couldn't return because I had thrown away the **** **** box. (I even have the registration card - just no box). **** ******************************************************** Note: There's nothing wrong with HyperBible - it's just not what I wanted and the HyperBible demo disk was misleading because it is a slide show rather than an operational copy. Mac Bible Comparison MacBible from Zondervan 616-698-3222 A. Pricing 1. $80 for each version, NIV, NRSV, KJV 2. $109 each for Grek and Hebrew 3. $80 for NIV Bible study notes and Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties B. Searchings 1. show, search or count modes 2. searches in (single) preselected range only, set of predefined ranges (eg. Epistles) 3. can also do page/window search 4. AND, OR, NOT, grouping and wild card 5. can do proximity searches - over multiple verses rather than just single verse 6. can do order specific searches of words C. Context Viewing 1. can look at references only or verses 2. can set range for context viewing, is brought up in separate window by double selecting on verse - very nice 3. can bring up multiple windows of Bible text with different versions 4. can tile or stack window 5. some formating of text view - lines per page, spaceing, font, etc. D. Personal Notes, Grouping of Verses 1. can group verses into verse files which can be exported to flat files or be left as verse files for later uses 2. can add and delete from verse files, sort and merge as well 3. can only have single verse file open at a time - disallows cut and paste between verse files 4. one comment is allowed for whole file, no other personal notes E. Greek and Hebrew StrongUs References 1. Greek and Hebrew texts - in fonts, but not StrongUs references 2. Exhaustive concordance (like StrongUs) coming in T93 F. Topical Reference, Chain Reference, & Other Indices 1. NIV Bible Study Notes, but no indices or chain ref. 2. NavUs topics coming, but no date set yet G. Summary 1. At $80, capabilities of basic package (searching, viewing, grouping) nicer than others. For instance search over multiple verses, complex search logic in simgle window, etc. 2. However, does not give option of advanced features (Exhaustive concordance, references, personal notes). HyperBible from Beacon Technology 800-777-1841 A. Pricing 1. $189 2. coming soon: parrallel translations (KJV,NIV)- standard; personal notes standard; StrongUs Concordance - add on B. Searchings 1. full AND, OR, NOT, facility - no practical limit to search combinations 2. has wild carding - * tagged to end of word - canUt begin word 3. always does full search - will not search on search results or placemark file 4. does topical searches (default option), eg. all verse which topically relate to faith as opposed to have the word faith 5. ranges by book, have filter which gives predefined selection (Epistles), not necessarily contiguous 6. can not do proximity searches 7. shows count of verses but not word count C. Context Viewing 1. in reference list / placemark file can look at references only or text view of verses 2. select verse, then bible icon gives scripture view window - single verse with forward and backward arrows 3. to see context as whole -select See Chapter button, gives just text 4. canUt have multiple context windows, but can look at multiple references from chain reference D. Personal Notes, Grouping of Verses 1. placemarks lists resultant from search or chosen manually by assigning placemark to verse 2. can add and delete from placemark lists, sort, save, name, reload, switch to text file - but canUt attach comments 3. only have one open at a time (thus canUt copy between or merge) 4. results of search - references list box - can copy references or text or a selected subset to clipboard or save it as placemark list 5. donUt support personal notes, but that is new feature which will be standard E. Greek and Hebrew StrongUs References 1. StrongUs Concordance (add on) is feature which is coming F. Topical Reference, Chain Reference, & Other Indices 1. complete set of ThompsonUs references - chain reference, index of topics, topical references lists, pronounciation keys, maps (can click on city name and see city on map) 2. can do some change of references - canUt change marginal notes, but when go to listing can change encyclopedia reference list G. Summary 1. A bit more expensive, but very extensive reference facilities may make it worth while for neophyte. 2. Focus is Study bible rather than Concordance - search and grouping features exist, but not up to others - awkward and time consuming to use. 3. Coming features (personal notes, multiple translations and StrongUs reference) puts it in the high end category (w/ Verse Search). WordSearch from Nav. Press 800-366-7788 A. Pricing 1. $80 for NIV, NKJV, NRSV and $60 for KJV,Living 2. StrongsUs KJV version (together) $90 3. NaveUs topics $40 B. Searchings 1. up to nine words or phrases searched at once, but must do multiple searches to do AND, OR and NOT or to search for words/phrases within ranges 2. works against text already in window or not in window - depending upon AND, OR or NOT 3. has wild carding 4. shows count of verses and ranges 5. can select multiple (up to nine) ranges to search 6. verse search only, not ranges C. Context Viewing 1. can look at references only or verses 2. full scripture is only view in context, must flip back and forth from verse selection to context view (can then copy any selection to notes) 3. can bring up multiple windows of Bible text with different versions D. Personal Notes, Grouping of Verses 1. any verses selected can be copied to notepad which is fully editable 2. can cut and paste between reference window, which remain sorted and unique when merged 3. file is combination of notes and references window, not flat file for export 4. can insert and delete from refs window 5. must cut and paste to export - has access to clipboard -either refs. or text to clipboard E. Greek and Hebrew StrongUs References 1. available 7/30/92 2. locate all occurances or any Greek, Hebrew, or English word in bible 3. Identify Greek and Hebrew words behind any English word 4. Search by word, passage or StrongUs ref 5. insantly access original definition of any word and follow Rlinked definitionsS F. Topical Reference, Chain Reference, & Other Indices 1. NavUs topics - available 10/30/92 G. Summary 1. At $80, capabilities of basic package (searching, viewing, grouping) a little bit awkward, especially in getting the results of a multiple search. Does however have multiple verse files and a nice way of annotating grouped verses. 2. Does (will) give a much cheaper way to get advanced features (StrongUs, references, personal notes) -can get combined Greek/Hebrew StrongUs for KJV for $90, topics for just $40 Verse Search from Bible Research Systems A. Pricing 1. expensive - basic search and text $100 2. $80 for each additional translation (5 total) 3. verse indexer $100; 210 topics indexes $50; 140 people indexes $50 4. Chronological bible $50 5. Greek / Hebrew $100 each (with or without $100 for text?) 6. Chain Ref $50 7. verse typist $50 B. Searchings 1. searches in range which is selected at time of search 2. >32 words or phrases searched at once with AND, OR 3. has wild carding 4. doesnUt show count of verses or occurances 5. findsverses in text one at a time, must do Rfind nextS to get to each subsequent C. Context Viewing 1. not a concern in basic package - always in context 2. in index can view individual verses (in separate window) and then contexts (separate windows) D. Personal Notes, Grouping of Verses 1. Verse Indexer $100 % can merge, sort, insert, delete % can give secription to index file % same search capability as above puts resulting verses in verse index - from there can view indvidual verse in separate window, view context in yet another window % can put multiple search results into index, and can put n selectively 2. Personal Commentary $50 % annotate each verse in separate window by double clicking on verse E. Greek and Hebrew StrongUs References 1. study original word usage - StrongUs Concordance 2. can fine all verses that contain specific Greek root 3. all English words that come from common Greek root along with frequency 4. Greek to English dictionary 5. can click on StrongUs ref # to study in detail F. Topical Reference, Chain Reference, & Other Indices 1. Chronological Bible % box chart index into Bible (search menu) % from there outline of chronological events for that era % can modify 2. Chain Reference % competely separate screen and tool, split window, single verse in each % verses linked, but topics not listed or indexed - limited usefulness % can add, delete G. Summary 1. With Verse Indexer provides good set of basic capabilities (searching, viewing, grouping) but costs $200. 2. Nice set of advanced features as well (StrongUs, references, personal notes), but very costly. From gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com Fri Jun 5 15:36:13 1992 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA26112; Fri, 5 Jun 92 15:36:13 EDT Received: from relay1.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AA25475; Fri, 5 Jun 92 15:36:01 -0400 Received: from orca.es.com (via ES.COM) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA20859; Fri, 5 Jun 92 15:35:55 -0400 Received: from javelin ([130.187.198.13]) by orca.es.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09271; Fri, 5 Jun 92 13:31:46 MDT Received: by javelin (4.1/E&S_client-ver1.5/SMI-4.1) id AA16489; Fri, 5 Jun 92 13:32:32 MDT Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: gclapp From: gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com (Glenn Clapp) Subject: Re: Self Study Greek Message-Id: <1992Jun5.193228.16445@javelin.sim.es.com> Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation References: Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1992 19:32:28 GMT Apparently-To: uunet!soc-religion-christian In article J024330@lmsc5.is.lmsc.lockheed.com writes: >I'm interested in learning the Greek that was used for writing the old manu- >scripts for the New Testement. Does anyone know of a good home study course >for this? > >Thanks in advance >Chris Yes. If you have an IBM or clone, buy Parsons Technology's "Greek Tools" software. It is great for learning the NT Greek. It also includes a database of sorts of all the NT manuscripts. It includes the book "Learning New Testament Greek." The lessons therein seem quite good. -- | Glenn Clapp | gclapp@javelin.sim.es.com | | Evans and Sutherland Computer Corp. | My opinions are my own, but then | | Salt Lake City, Utah (801) 582-5847 | that's my opinion. | From lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu Sun Jun 7 15:32:02 1992 Received: from andromeda.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07810; Sun, 7 Jun 92 15:31:42 EDT From: lcrew@andromeda.rutgers.edu Received: by andromeda.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16137; Sun, 7 Jun 92 15:27:12 EDT Date: Sun, 7 Jun 92 15:27:10 EDT Reply-To: Louie Crew To: white@mail.loc.gov, mjsgc@med.unc.edu, ddaniel@xymox.palo-alto.ca.us, DROBINSON@guvax.georgetown.edu, ujhoward@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu, jrudinoff@igc.org, 72250.322@compuserve.com, 71201.3342@compuserve.com, 76675.3032@compuserve.com, BHUCK@pennsas.upenn.edu, 76276.2206@compuserve.com, rajm@computer-science.manchester.ac.uk, ken_shrum@hpfcjtk.fc.hp.com, BENNETTR@vax001.kenyon.edu, landen@frith.egr.msu.edu, MZPA%UTDALLAS@rutvm1.rutgers.edu, jontom@ozbick.hq.ileaf.com, lumpy@milton.u.washington.edu, hedrick@cs.rutgers.edu, jackk@leland.stanford.edu, carlson@ab00.larc.nasa.gov, amanda@visix.com, CCASKEY@iubacs.bitnet, mbietz@heartland.bradley.edu, 70262.1424@compuserve.com, fhughes@lasalle.edu, 76100.3150@compuserve.com, digest@dragon.com, archerb@gawain.umkc.edu, MAUEL@cuplvx.ap.columbia.edu, 71230.774@compuserve.com, JKPEYTON@gallua.bitnet, 76047.50@compuserve.com, 71510.3066@compuserve.com, 76635.2074@compuserve.com, book@midway.uchicago.edu, 76340.3030@compuserve.com, cn0h@andrew.cmu.edu, 74017.3214@compuserve.com, 70145.172@compuserve.com, 70007.3215@compuserve.com, 76100.3150@compuserve.com, Gary.W.Vanloon@queensu.ca Subject: A blurb I just received, BCP in Hypertext Message-Id: Status: R Bringing the power of hypertext to the Church. . . [[[ [ [ [__ [[[[[\ \[[[[[\ [[[[[\ [ [[[ [_ [ [[ [ [ [[ [ [ [ [\\ [[[[[ [ [[[[[_ [ [[ [ [ E L E C T R O N I C [ [[[[[_ _[[[[[_ [ ============================================== ++++++What is it? _The Electronic Book of Common Prayer_ is a "smart" electronic version of the standard worship book of the Episcopal Church, including as a bonus all the collects and propers from _Lesser Feasts and Fasts_ (1991). The electronic document is compiled and programmed to be read on any 100% IBM-compatible computer (IBM or "clone"). ++++++So what's the hype? This electronic version doesn't just include the *full text of the BCP*. That would be convenient enough. But this *hypertext* version is indexed on nearly *5,000 keywords*, with over *10,000 cross- reference "hypertext" links*. What does that mean? Click the mouse on "Psalm 1" (or select it with the text cursor and press ENTER) and the *full text* of the Psalm appears on screen. Click on "Luke" and a window pops up offering a choice of the collect (traditional or contemporary), eucharistic proper, or daily office readings. Select a commemoration from the calendar, and up pops the collect and proper from Lesser Feasts and Fasts. You can also search with the *built-in keyword index*, page through the complete 1,600 line table of contents, and browse through the electronic pages with the cursor keys~or you can use the power of *hypertext* to traverse instant links to related material. ++++++Look, but don't touch? "Fine," you might say, "I get to look at the BCP on my computer screen. Is that all there is to it?" Using the computer to *read* the BCP is only the beginning. All (or selected) text can be *exported to an ASCII file*, or *sent to your printer*. Even more practical, this electronic document can reside in your computer's memory, so you can call sections of the BCP *directly into your own word processor document*. What's more, this "smart" BCP can actually _read_ your on-screen document~in your own word processor~and take you to the related section of the BCP when you press the "hot-key." You can organize a selection of texts for a bulletin in just a few moments, with minimal keystrokes on your part. ++++++Won't this eat up my disk space? Not hardly! The full text of the BCP~plus the material from _Lesser Feasts and Fasts_~has been *compressed*, so that this electronic version can fit on *a single high-density floppy disk* (1.2 or 1.44M). Access and operation speed is increased if installed on a hard disk, where the document will consume just over one meg. What do I need? The Electronic BCP comes with installation instructions and *built-in on-line help*. It requires DOS 3.0 or better, high-density floppy disks or one floppy and a hard drive to run. It can be installed to a hard drive from a 360K floppy drive. The memory resident functions work over any DOS text program, and can read the screen from any DOS text-based word processor. Memory-resident mode uses about 58K, and can be loaded into expanded memory. The Electronic BCP can be run from Windows 3.1 in a DOS window. The hot key is *user-definable*, as is the color scheme, via the DOS command line. The document comes with two alternate color schemes for monochrome and LCD (laptop) displays. Cost is $49.95. A demo version is available for $6.00. Ordering information follows: =====Order Form for Electronic Book of Common Prayer===== Name Address City State Zip Specify disk size and density: 5 1/4" 360K ( ) 5 1/4" 1.2M ( ) 3 1/2" 720K ( ) 3 1/2" 1.44M ( ) [ ] Please send me my _personal_ copy of the Electronic Book of Common Prayer. ($49.95) [ ] Please send me a copy of the demo version of the Electronic Book of Common Prayer. ($6.00) NOTE: Your copy of the Electronic BCP will be *personalized* with your name as shown above; if you are giving a copy *as a gift*, please provide the name of the recipient here: Name of gift recipient N.Y. State residents add appropriate sales tax. If a tax exempt organization, please supply certificate. Send your order to: TSH Electronic Publishing 2462 Webb Avenue Bronx NY 10468-4802 Inquire at the above address for site licensing information (for a parish or other institution). From ACUS10@waccvm.corp.mot.com Fri Jul 31 12:23:55 1992 Received: from motgate.mot.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00457; Fri, 31 Jul 92 12:23:55 EDT Received: from WACCVM.corp.mot.com ([192.88.164.2]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA11220; Fri, 31 Jul 92 11:22:14 CDT Received: from WACCVM by WACCVM.corp.mot.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5560; Fri, 31 Jul 92 09:24:03 MST Date: 31 Jul 1992 09:24:03 -0700 Message-Id: <"ACUS10 92/07/31 16:24:03.478469"@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM> From: Mark Fuller To: Subject: Re: CDROM: The Bible Library > > In article isckbk@nuscc.nus.sg writes: > > > I have recently heard of a CDROM entitled "The Bible Library" > > with some 7 translations, a few dictionaries, study topics ... > > etc almost 300MB of material (not that I will ever read every > > byte) and selling for ~US$150/- > > > > Being in a remote part of the world, my questions -- > > > > i) What s.r.c readers comments are this? (if you think your > > comments are not suitable for the net, please mail me) > > I would love to own such a reference. The Bible Library CDrom is very nice, although I heard it has some errors. I spoke to Ellis Publishing and they confirmed this. I have placed a demo of CD Bible Library on wuarchive.wustl.edu, (128.252.135.4), cd /pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS and get cdbib.zip It gives a pretty good little tour of the package. For those who cant afford a cd rom, there is a nifty *FREE* bible program on wuarchive at /doc/bible Mark From daemon@linac.fnal.gov Tue Aug 4 13:10:30 1992 Received: from linac.fnal.gov by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12971; Tue, 4 Aug 92 13:10:30 EDT Received: by linac.fnal.gov (5.65c/IDA-1.4.3); Tue, 4 Aug 1992 12:10:28 -0500 Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: newsaintmail From: RexLex@linac.fnal.gov Subject: Re: CDROM: The Bible Library Message-Id: Sender: daemon@linac.fnal.gov (The Background Man) Nntp-Posting-Host: admec1.fnal.gov Organization: Fermi Lab References: Distribution: USA Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1992 17:10:21 GMT Lines: 34 Apparently-To: soc-religion-christian@linac.fnal.gov I have just got off the phone and this is the info that I have: you may purchase the engine and all the moduals that you want from LOGOS Research Systems 26 W. Route 70 Suie 270 Marlton, New Jersey 08053-3010 Phone: 609-983-5766 FAX: 609-988-8268 The new updated version will run on Windows v 3.1. The complete package of versions, Greek & Hebrew text, lexicons, dictionaries, parsing, topic notes, dynamic linking etc will cost you $595 for the CD. I was told that he has now made a deal with the lockman foundation for the NASB version to be added. It is being developed to include Dutch, Spanish, .German, French and other languages besides English. At the moment it written only for DOS machines, but there is talk to write for cross platforms in the future. Moody Bible no longer markets this, so don't call them. Just a note. The Lockman Foundations, NASB, Amplified and the Gk & Hebrew text is available for both IBM & Mac's. Lockman Foundation PO Box 6439 Anaheim, CA 92816 Phone: 714-630-6450 This is the program that I have, and like it a lot thought it has several short comings. Rex Path: christian Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian From: rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu (Roger Squires) Subject: The Online Bible Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu The Online Bible was mentioned recently in soc.religion.christian Judging by the responses (and some email) not everyone who should be interested knows what the package is or where it may be obtained. I am not involved with the package, but seems to me it deserves more advertising, hence this letter. Followups to s.r.c So, here is an shortened version of the README file, and a letter to me from Mr. Fuller (with his permission) about the soon to be released version 6. Mr. Fuller is worried that the OLB's author will be swamped with email asking about the new version -- so please be polite and do not do this. When it arrives the new package will be advertised on s.r.c, or if necessary you can ask to be put on his mailing list. Here are simple directions for downloading the package. Remember that this is an MSDOS package, and that you will need the current version of Pkunzip (1.1 or better) to uncompress the files. This routine is in the mirrors/msdos/zip directory: PKZ1110EU.EXE. ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu [login as anonymous and give your email addr as the password] cd doc/bible prompt [this is just so you can use wildcards] mget README* [use this to decide which bible versions you want] binary [transfers of .zip and .exe files must use binary mode] mget *.zip [this will retrieve all the files, assuming you have enough disk space to hold them all] If you are like me you will need to download these files again (using binary mode) to your MSDOS machine and then unzip them as per the instructions in the README file. At 1200 baud this takes awhile :) Net novices should get the "Zen and the Internet" file that is on mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu if all this is black magic to you. If you're an expert you should get it and read it anyway. It is zen10.txt in the etext/etext92 directory. ************************************************************************ [a shortened version of the README file] OnLine Bible version 5. FreeWare Copy Freely ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This document contains: 1- A listing of all modules available, showing the zip contents. 2- Brief Instructions for installing OLB. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Modules Available: > Online Bible Program, v5.00.17b: - OLB50017.zip bible.901 257177 3-08-92 17:02 choose.exe 5659 7-17-91 9:05 copydisk.bat 493 1-20-92 11:39 go.bat 2931 10-10-91 8:11 install.901 3058 2-05-92 17:18 install.exe 30475 3-03-92 8:55 read.me 9633 3-08-92 20:18 sharewar.doc 8396 3-08-92 20:15 tutorial.doc 8548 7-23-91 7:55 > 1769 King James AV text: > 500,000+ Cross References, from Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge: > Hebrew/Greek Lexicon keyed to Strongs Numbers: > Topical Index, (see read.me file in zip 2): > 1913 Scofield Notes: > 1833 Webster Bible text: > 1901 American Standard Version text: > 1871 J.N. Darby New Testament text: > Hebrew Old Testament text, Biblia Hebraica by Kittle, Biblia Hebraica Stutgartensia: > Greek New Testament text, Stephens 1550/Scrivener 1894, Byzantine/Majority, Nestle 26/UBS 3: [some installation instructions] Limited help can be obtained from Acus10@waccvm.corp.mot.com ************************************************************************* [Here is the letter Mr. Fuller sent me about Version 6] Date: 25 Jul 1992 18:11:34 -0700 From: Mark Fuller Subject: re:request for online bible ftp sites > Sorry to bother you, sir, but the online bible files seem > to have disappeared from wuarchive.wustl.edu. > Are there other sites that you could recommend to me, and > are there new versions of the software available, etc.? You probably saw them in /pub/bible. Shortly after I put up v5 the archive owner moved them to /doc/bible I just went and looked and they are there. The current version is v5.00.17b and is on WU. If that is not what you currently have, get the readme file in the directory to understand what you do/dont need. There will not be any updates until late Sept-Oct. Version 6 will be out then and it will be worth the wait! The basic setup will have a triple text, AV/Darby/1833 Webster-1913 Scofield ammendments. The Darby is very similar in translation style and literalness to the NASB, just older and british. The ASV will be updated to correct some typo's, there should be a 1911(?) Weymouth N.T. (being proof-read right now). The Strongs numbers will be 100% accurate, which is 10% more accurate than the printed Strongs. Greek verb parsing, and completed topics with point and shoot access. (the topics on WU are a prototype). The 1874 Youngs Literal Translation will also be ready at that time. (I am currently keying and proof-reading). I've forgotten if there is anything else planned. The Lexicons are being modified but I forgot how or why. There will also be a very nice typeset OLB manual available for $2.50 + $2.50 s&h. I've added you to my list, and you will get a note when I put up v6. It is scheduled for Sept-Oct. Have fun, and hand out copies! Mark acus10@waccvm.corp.mot.com *************************************************************************** Roger Squires rsquires@cyclops.eece.unm.edu From ACUS10@waccvm.corp.mot.com Tue Sep 22 18:54:34 1992 Received: from motgate.mot.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA09186; Tue, 22 Sep 92 18:54:34 EDT Received: from WACCVM.corp.mot.com ([192.88.164.2]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA04825; Tue, 22 Sep 92 17:54:53 CDT Received: from WACCVM by WACCVM.corp.mot.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3681; Tue, 22 Sep 92 15:54:44 MST Date: 22 Sep 1992 15:54:43 -0700 Message-Id: <"ACUS10 92/09/22 22:54:43.491522"@WACCVM.CORP.MOT.COM> From: Mark Fuller To: Subject: Online Bible version 6 is now available X-Mailer: Motorola POSTv3.2.14a A major release (version 6) of 'The OnLine Bible' is now available. It can be obtained by: ftp wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4) cd /doc/bible get readme.txt The readme.txt file contains information about the different modules which are on the server. The program is still 'free' and may be copied and shared. Anyone using olb v.5 should get new modules and RE-INSTALL EVERYTHING. About half the modules are in /doc/bible, and the other half are temporarily in /pub/bible. These will be moved soon to /doc/bible. So, if your looking for something in the readme.txt file and its not in /doc/bible, check /pub/bible. Version 6 is a major revision. The biggest change is that the basic text module now comes in a combined AV/Darby Bible with Webster's 1833 word updates. The Darby Bible is very similar to to the NASB, and FF. Bruce said it is the most accurate English translation. (Not meant to spark arguments about translations). The topics are revised and work in a point'n'shoot manner. The cross refs as previously used were taken from 'Treasury of Scripture Knowledge', and now there is an additional set of modules which contain textual notes from the same source. These use a lot of disk space, but are well worth it! You will see them as 'TSK' modules. Hebrew and Greek verb parsing is now available when you display Strong's numbers. There is also a typset manual available for $5. More info is found in 'to-order.doc' after installation. Attached below is the faq sheet which comes with OLB version 6. Enjoy! Mark >>>>>>>>>>> begin attachement The Online Bible _What is New in Version 6 from Version 5?_ o Huge topic disk includes over 4200 topics from the original Thompson Chain plus hundreds of topics from the 1897 New Topical Textbook plus much other resource material. o Strong's numbers carefully revised, find an error and win $10 o 100,000 verb parsings added to Authorised Version o English frequency counts added to Hebrew Lexicon o Greek lexicon heavily revised for accuracy o 580,474 cross references for the whole Bible o Bilingual Versions, AV plus Strong's plus European languages o Hypertext features added to Notes facility, point and shoot o Up to four independcnt sets of notes can be accessed in a carousel o Alternate lexicon for your word studies o Updated 1833 Webster Bible included free with AV versions o Manual completly rewritten by a professional English publisher _Scholar's Pack Description_ o Requires about 14 megabytes on a hard disk on IBM PC, 384K and DOS 2.11 or later. o The basic text for the Online Bible is the 1769 Authorised Version (AV or KJV) indexed using Strong's numbers. The 1833 Webster update is included free as a footnote toggle. Also the extremely accurate 1890 Darby version is part of the base package. Other Bible texts are available. o 100,000 verbs parsings and definitions o English definitions of Biblical Greek and Hebrew words. Knowledge of Greek and Hebrew is NOT required. o Lexicon based on Thayer's and Smith's Bible Dictionary plus others; this is keyed to the large Kittel and the Theological Dictionary of the New Testament. The Old Testament is Brown, Driver, Briggs, Gesenius Lexicon; this is keyed to the "Theological Word Book of the Old Testament." o Lexicon is in text format and you can easily change it using UED. o 580,474 cross references from the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and others. You can instantly recall and display the cross references. o Menu driven design with extensive context sensitive helps o Almost any monitor can be used. Supports 43-line EGA, 28-line VGA, and 50-line VGA, and others. o Complete search facilities include, word, phrase, multiple words, and much more. Searches may use AND, OR and NOT operators to select verses. Searches may be restricted. o You can search using Strong's numbers and access the definitions. You can print a passage with all the numbers and the definitions of the words used in that passage. This saves hours of time for those doing detailed Bible studies. o Verses can be selected for printing or saving to ASCII files for inclusion in most word processing documents. o TSR to copy verses directly into your word processors. o Quick Print for rapid printing of verses, notes, topics or definitions. Data can be accumulated to a file instead of being printed. o Printing can be attractively formatted with page breaks o Bulletin board version for users that would like to try the program or do not have a hard disk to run the program. o Visually Impaired option for use with scrccn reader hardware. o All verses displayed in context or out of context o You can add notes of any size to a verse using the supplied text processor. o Cross references can be added to notes for automatic recall. o You can define 32,767 topical entries. o Includes Topics Disk described in "Add-On Modules" o Dictionary of the words unique to the Bible allows you to spell check most documents having Bible passages. o NO ROYALTIES, DISTRIBUTE FREELY. o a combincd AV and 1947 RSV is available also Classical Package o Four Greek texts in one combined version, 1550 Stephanus, Scrivener 1894, Majority, and Nestle's o 1977 Stuttgartensia Hebrew Consonantal Text o Displays transliterated text on CGA and old monochromc monitors o Displays actual Greek and Hebrew on EGA and VGA monitors o Support included to print in Greek and Hebrew on most printers o This is not an interlinear, order only if you have had one year of Greek or Hebrew at a college. Foreign Versions All bilingual versions include the AV and a foreign language text, Strong's numbers, verb parsings and the lexicons. The following foreign versions are available: o Bilingual AV and Spanish 1989 RVA o Bilingual AV and French 1910 Louis Segond o Bilingual AV and Gcnnan 190S or 1985 Darby Elberfelder o Bilingual AV and Dutch Saten Vertaling o Bilingual AV and Creole Version (Haiti) Please write our Europcan distributor for ordering and pricing information. Peter van der Schelde, Online Bible Ministries, St. Publishare, P.O. Box 9187, 3301 AD Dordrecht, Netherlands, Tel: (31)- (0)78- 163853 or Fax: (31) - (0)78 - 211111 New European languages are being added every month or so. Italian, Danish, Portuguese are planned for the next year. Additional Add-On Modules We are creating add-on notes and topics modules for the Online Bible. o Scofield Refenence Bible Notes - the entire set of Scofield notes from the original Scofield Reference Bible - these are written exactly as in the original without any intentional changes o Topics Disk - Original Thompson Chain References (Improved) - Westminster Confession of Faith - Spurgeon's Catechism - Torrey's New Topical Textbook - Bible and Science Questions and Answers - plus much other material - this module included free with all versions o Treasury of Scripture Knowledge Verse Notes - entire text of thc Treasury available - almost 600,000 cross refercnces - much valuable Bible commentary and background information - in new easy to use format just point at a line of cross references for part of a verse and look at those verses. - this requires seven megs of hard disk space. If you have the room we strongly recommend that you get a copy. Work-in-Progress The Greek text is being parsed and keyed to Strong's numbers. This should be ready by the middle of next year. After that we plan to do the Hebrew. From root@comm.mot.com Wed Nov 4 18:53:52 1992 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA22447; Wed, 4 Nov 92 18:53:52 EST Received: from relay2.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AA19383; Wed, 4 Nov 92 18:53:50 -0500 Received: from motgate.mot.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA22038; Wed, 4 Nov 92 18:53:57 -0500 Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.2 for ) id AA08491; Wed, 4 Nov 1992 17:53:51 -0600 Received: from bbs.comm.mot.com ([137.23.53.1]) by pobox.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA29197; Wed, 4 Nov 92 17:53:50 CST Received: by bbs.comm.mot.com (5.61/MCDMAIL IR04 [03/20/91 08:33]/1.34) id AA17800; Thu, 5 Nov 92 00:05:13 GMT Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: A10035@email.mot.com From: A10035@email.mot.com (Scott Lindsey) Subject: Re: NIV Bible on PC Organization: Motorola Land Mobile Products Sector Distribution: usa Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1992 00:05:10 GMT Message-Id: <1992Nov5.000510.17761@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> References: Sender: news@comm.mot.com (Net News) Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.162.120 Lines: 79 Apparently-To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net In article , mike@mik.uky.edu (Mike Mattone) writes: > > > Can anyone recommend a good yet relatively inexpensive ($30-$40) NIV > Bible for my PC? I looked at one (by Zondervan, I think) that allowed the > user to attach his own comments to individual verses, which I think would > be good for Bible study. The only problem was the price: $99 (on sale!) > with the study notes for an extra $60 or $70. I would like to organize my > Bible studies and keep all my notes in one place, etc, but I can't afford > to spend that kind of money to do so. Can anyone suggest an alternative? > I have used this for more than a year and am VERY pleased. The price is untouchable..I downloaded it free from a bulletin board (it is true public domain. The NIV requires a royalty. The order info from Rockware follows: ONLINE COMPUTER BIBLE instantly finds any words/phrases in the Bible. Sends verses to printer or word processor files. For IBM PC compatible computers with 256K memory. The $1.50/disk is for copying diskettes and shipping. The program itself is FREE! YOU may freely distribute KJV! * * * NEW! ONLINE BIBLE v.4.00! * * * * Now with 250,000 instant Cross References (NT+ complete, displays OT)! Press F10 key, instantly see up to 40 or more related verses! (Old Testament references to be completed in 1990, God willing.) * NEW Easy-to-use MINIMENU starts programs, displays instructions, verifies diskettes and prints out instruction manual! * Strong's Number toggling throughout (KJV) Old and New Testaments! Hebrew & Greek Lexicon (optional) is keyed to Strong's Numbers. * Registered commercial text editor included free for verse notes, sermons, etc. Has everything but a spell checker in only 34K! * AUTOMATED INSTALLATION * PULL-DOWN MENUS * CONTEXT HELP SCREENS * * ONE-SECOND WORD SEARCHES * COMPLEX PHRASE SEARCHES * CHANGE COLORS * * KING JAMES, RSV or NIV TEXT * EASY PRINTOUTS * KJV LEXICON OPTION * Modular--you can add NIV and other texts & options later! NEW TEXT format in VERSION 4.00 NOT COMPATIBLE with earlier text data. If you purchased older NIV TEXT, you may donate it to someone or return it for $10 credit. A Minneapolis newspaper review called it "the best program of its kind...." A major Indianapolis shareware distributer gave it his ****HIGHEST rating. * * * SUGGESTED PRICES -- CALL FOR DISCOUNTS ON MULTIPLE COPIES * * * KJV TEXT w. STRONGS #'s and Cross References (4 meg on 9 disks). $13.50 LEXICONS (GREEK/HEBREW WORDS DEFINED FOR KJV) (3 meg/ 4 disks)....$6.00 KJV complete (both sets above) (7 meg/ 13 disks).. $19.50 NIV BIBLE (royalty paid) & CROSS REFERENCES (3 meg/ 7 disks).... $19.95 KJV + ALL OPTIONS + NIV TEXT .(10 meg/ 18 disks if all loaded).. $36.95 RSV BIBLE (royalty paid) & CROSS REFERENCES (3 meg/ 7 disks).... $12.95 KJV NEW TESTAMENT requires only 2-5.25" drives or 1-3.5" drive .. $3.00 NIV TESTAMENT (for 2-5.25" drives or 1-3.5" drive).....(3 disks). $6.95 QuickVerse for Apple MACINTOSH or IBM (NIV, KJV, NKJV, RSV)....... call Help us proofread the Weymouth New Testament in Modern Speech (1912 Ed) 2 disks load on hard drive & use existing crossrefs (no royalty!) $3.00 Order from: Phil Lindner (517) 369-6035 for information ROCKware P.O. Box 21 Bronson MI 49028 USA SHIP TO: ( ) address on check, ( ) address printed on stationery, ( ) address below: Circle Diskette size: 5.25" or 3.5" Enclosed $_________ SHIPPED FREE WORLDWIDE - 90-DAY MONEY BACK FOR ANY REASON GUARANTEE VISA / MasterCard Orders * Call Linda at 517 278-4233 (7am-9pm EDT) THIS SHEET IS AN ORDER BLANK - CIRCLE DESIRED ITEMS & ENCLOSE CHECK (this form may be photocopied - July 25, 1990) Path: christian Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian From: sl313028@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (The black guy.) Subject: Re: NIV Bible on PC Organization: Indiana University Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article jeffries@iastate.edu (Anthony G Jeffries) writes: >I am not fortunate enough to own a PC, which I could then use most public >domain and shareware Bible software on. Instead, I have a Macintosh. well, i couldn't get back into wuarchive, but just uploaded is the *FREEWARE* On-Line bible version for Mac.... look in /doc/bible/mac. if you cant ftp, well, i guess it's too bad...(i'm not a mac user). -jon sl3130828@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (the anointed nubian) Path: christian Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian From: mpaul@unlinfo.unl.edu (marxhausen paul) Subject: Re: NIV or NASB in soft copy? Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes: >Anyone know where one could find NIV or NASB in ascii text? Informational note on NIV-in-computer-format: Zondervan publishing has the sole right to distribution of the NIV in computer format. I found this out when someone provided me with the NIV in ASCII over the network a while back and I got curious about the legality. I contacted the Ameri- can Bible Society (who holds the NIV copyright), they directed me to Zondervan. Zondervan allowed me to keep my copy provided I update the copyright notice, but basically they want to keep a handle on any comp- uter distribution to insure the integrity of the text, and also because, hey, they have the legal right. They nicely declined to give their blessing to general Internet distribution. This was as of about a year ago, maybe somebody else knows differently now. -- paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... .. . . . . . university of nebraska - lincoln . . . .. . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . grace . . . . . . . . . . . . happens . [I believe it is not the American Bible Society, but the New York International Bible Society. The ABS holds copyright on the TEV. --clh] Path: christian Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian From: abigail@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Shawn Abigail) Subject: Bible software for MS Windows Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu As promised, here is some information about Bible software for Microsoft Windows. I haven't tried any of these programs out, so I can't give any recommendations. Most of the information was gleaned through ads in magazines, especially "Christian Computing". Prices are the ones quoted in the ads, are in American dollars, and might not be accurate any more. Addresses are provided so that you can get more information. You can also look in the CBD (Christian Book Distributers) catalog, because they carry a fair bit of software, at good prices. DO NOT ORDER BASED ON THIS INFORMATION. IT MAY NOT BE ACCURATE! Write the publisher for more information, or check out the latest ads. Name: QuickVerse for Windows Publisher: Parson's Technology Address: One Parsons Drive, P.O. Box 100, Hiawatha, Iowa, 52233-0100 Price: $79 (includes one translation. Add $10 if NIV is that translation. Sale price may be available) Translations: KJV, NKJV, NIV, RSV, NRSV, NCV, TLB ($39 each, except NIV) Original Lang: Tranliterated Hebrew and Greek available Add on: Nave's Topical Bible ($39) Name: Logos Bible Study Software Publisher: Logos Research Systems Address: 26 W. Route 70, Suite 270, Marlton, NJ, 08053-3010 Price: $149 ($129 competitive upgrade from other commercial software) Price includes program, KJV, RSV, with Strongs numbers, dictionary and Treasury of Scripture Knowledge. Translations: NKJV, NRSV, NIV ($49 each) Original Lang: Byzntine Majority Textform (Greek) with licenced font ($59) Reviewed in: "Christian Computing", April 1992 Name: The Holy Scriptures Publisher: Christian Technologies, Inc. Address: P.O. Box 2201, Independence, MO, 64055 1-800-366-8320 Price: KJV, ASV, TLB, IV, RVA ($50 each) RSV, NRSV, NIV, NABWRNT ($70 each) Other: "Free Greek and Hebrew definitions for a limited time" (normally $30) Reviewed in: "Christian Computing", April 1992 Name: SeedMaster Publisher: White Harvest Software, Inc. Attn:CC, P.O. Box 97153 Raleigh, NC, 27624-7153 (919) 870-0775 Price: $40 (program and manual). Requires a Bible text from below. Translations: KJV ($20), NIV ($30), RSV ($25), UBS GNT ($20) There seem to be some good products available, and I imagine that they will get better over the next couple of years. I would like to see everything that is available with the OnLine Bible, available in a Windows format (with multiple and additional translations). In other words, I would like: Windows Bible Software program KJV, NIV, NASB, NKJV, Darby Translation Greek and Hebrew (not transliterated) Strongs Numbers Greek and Hebrew Lexicon support Treasury of Scripture Knowledge Scofield Notes and Thompson Chain Reference I would also like to see translations available for about $35 (Cdn), which is a fairly reasonable price considering you can put the entire Bible on a couple of high density floppies. I currently use the OnLine Bible, Version 5.0. It is a DOS program that I am very happy with. I bought the version with the NIV and the KJV. The only problem is, that I would like to add additional translations, and there seems to be no way to add them. The NIV and KJV texts are physically merged, as are the Darby and KJV. If I want to use the Greek, I have to leave the English and start another version of the Online Bible. On the whole though, it is an excellent program, and the price is right! Shawn Abigail abigail@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca From abigail@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca Wed Dec 2 16:24:10 1992 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA27592; Wed, 2 Dec 92 16:24:10 EST Received: from relay1.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AA13219; Wed, 2 Dec 92 16:24:06 -0500 Received: from ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA29956; Wed, 2 Dec 92 16:23:30 -0500 Received: by ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA19286; Wed, 2 Dec 92 07:15:41 -0500 Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: abigail From: abigail@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Shawn Abigail) Subject: Online Bible 6.0 Message-Id: <1992Dec2.121538.19236@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> Summary: Online Bible 6.0 Keywords: Bible Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1992 12:15:38 GMT Apparently-To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net The Online Bible 6.0 is available by anonymous ftp from: wuarchive.wustl.edu in the /doc/bible/ibm-pc directory. There is also a mac version in the /doc/bible/mac directory. In the IBM directory, you will find A README file that is far more complete and articulate than myself :) Install disk (OLB600.zip?) Disks with KJV and Darby Translation Disks with KJV and RSV Translation Lexicons Cross references Treasury of Scripture Knowledge references Scofield Notes Topics (includes Thompson chain references, and much more) BHS consontal Hebrew text GNT (3 versions of the Greek N.T. (Nestles 23rd, TR and Majority)) - note: these display Greek and Hebrew characters on the screen, and must be run seperately from the regular OLB program. If there is some other site that carries this info, please let us know! Shawn Abigail abigail@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca From news@ugle.unit.no Thu Dec 3 07:43:59 1992 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA19186; Thu, 3 Dec 92 07:43:59 EST Received: from relay1.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AA20584; Thu, 3 Dec 92 07:43:58 -0500 Received: from ugle.unit.no by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA18239; Thu, 3 Dec 92 07:43:55 -0500 Received: by ugle.unit.no id AA13772 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net); Thu, 3 Dec 1992 13:43:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1992 13:43:52 +0100 From: NetNews Administrator Message-Id: <199212031243.AA13772@ugle.unit.no> To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: ugle.unit.no!Bjorn.B.Larsen From: Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (Bjorn B. Larsen) Subject: Re: Online Bible 6.0 In-Reply-To: abigail@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca's message of 3 Dec 92 06:42:46 GMT Message-ID: Sender: news@ugle.unit.no (NetNews Administrator) Reply-To: bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no Organization: delab References: Date: 3 Dec 92 13:43:40 Lines: 38 In article abigail@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Shawn Abigail) writes: >The Online Bible 6.0 is available by anonymous ftp from: > wuarchive.wustl.edu >in the /doc/bible/ibm-pc directory. There is also a mac version in >the /doc/bible/mac directory. In the IBM directory, you will find >[ ... ] >If there is some other site that carries this info, please let us >know! People on the eastern side of the atlantic might care to check ugle.unit.no in the directory: /pub/misc/bible-6.0 There is a great number of files, as stated in previous posts. This includes a README file with some relevant information, it seems. In Him, Bjorn -- ______________________________________________________________________ s-mail: e-mail: | | | Bjorn B. Larsen bjorn.b.larsen@delab.sintef.no |__ |__ | SINTEF DELAB | \| \| N-7034 TRONDHEIM tel: +47-7-592682 / 592600 |__/|__/|_ NORWAY fax: +47-7-591039 / 594302 ______________________________________________________________________ From news@u.washington.edu Thu Dec 3 08:09:13 1992 Received: from ames.arc.nasa.gov by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA21491; Thu, 3 Dec 92 08:09:13 EST Received: from shelley.u.washington.edu by ames.arc.nasa.gov with SMTP id AA06391 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 3 Dec 1992 05:09:10 -0800 Received: by shelley.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA01217; Thu, 3 Dec 92 04:23:43 -0800 Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: stein.u.washington.edu!chuan From: chuan@stein.u.washington.edu (Chuan Lee) Subject: Re: Bible software for MS Windows Message-Id: <1992Dec3.122342.1172@u.washington.edu> Sender: chuan@stein.u.washington.edu Organization: University of Washington, Seattle References: Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1992 12:23:42 GMT Apparently-To: soc-religion-christian@ames.arc.nasa.gov FTP sites and dirs: oak.oakland.edu pub/msdos/bible wuarchive.wustl.edu mirror/msdos/bible Files: gww11_01.zip, ..., gww11_12.zip. It is very easy to install. Do this at the DOS prompt after unzipping: win install ----- Chuan Lee From oh1ltm@nic.funet.fi Sun Dec 6 10:20:05 1992 Received: from fuug.fi by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA23684; Sun, 6 Dec 92 10:20:05 EST Received: from nic.funet.fi by fuug.fi with SMTP id AA23980 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 6 Dec 1992 14:50:04 +0200 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91199-4>; Sun, 6 Dec 1992 14:49:54 +0200 Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: oh1ltm From: oh1ltm@nic.funet.fi (Esa Holmberg) To: soc-religion-christian@fuug.fi Subject: Re: Online Bible 6.0 Message-Id: <1992Dec6.124939.8428@nic.funet.fi> Organization: Finnish University and Research Network (FUNET) References: Distribution: sfnet Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1992 14:49:39 +0200 Lines: 18 In Bjorn.B.Larsen@delab.sintef.no (Bjorn B. Larsen) writes: >People on the eastern side of the atlantic might care to check > ugle.unit.no Another place on European side of the Atlantic might be nic.funet.fi:/pub/msdos/misc/bible/olb6/ >Bjorn Esa -- ___________________________________________________________________________ Esa Holmberg OH1LTM oh1ltm@nic.funet.fi Elisa: Holmberg Esa TTL X.400: C=fi, A=elisa, O=ttl, PN=esa holmberg fax: +358 21 501 330 (Diana) ------------------- RATS - Radio Amateur Tech. Society -------------------- Hi! I am a .signature virus. Copy me into your .signature to join in! From gslade@cyberstore.ca Tue Feb 2 19:09:49 1993 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA10323; Tue, 2 Feb 93 19:09:49 EST Received: from relay2.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AA01450; Tue, 2 Feb 93 19:09:47 -0500 Received: from apple.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA19754; Tue, 2 Feb 93 19:09:52 -0500 Received: from van-bc.wimsey.com by apple.com with SMTP (5.61/7-Aug-1992-eef) id AA03276; Tue, 2 Feb 93 16:09:18 -0800 for soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net Received: from cyber1.cyberstore.ca by van-bc.wimsey.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0nJXfQ-0000EuC; Tue, 2 Feb 93 16:08 PST From: Greg Slade X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: soc-religion-christian@cyberstore.ca Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 16:08:14 PST Message-Id: <9302021608.aa11727@cyber1.cyberstore.ca> Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: gslade From: gslade@cyberstore.ca (Greg Slade) Subject: Re: Mac Bible wanted Organization: Cyberstore Online Information Systems Inc. Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1993 00:08:12 GMT Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 References: Dave Wall (dwall@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote: : I am looking for a version of the NASB bible on the Macintosh. It would : be best if it has a cross-referencing capability to the original hebrew : and greek text. I have seen this for the IBM but I need a Mac version : any help would be great. you can e-mail me at dwall@nyx.cs.du.edu or post : your answer to this group. Bible Software for the Macintosh B.B. Kirkbride Bible Co. Department BKJ P.O. Box 606 Indianapolis, IN 46206 HyperBible Thompson Chain Reference on Hypercard Beacon Technology, Inc. 631 Elkton Drive P.O. Box 49788 Colorado Springs, CO 80949 HyperBible 199.00 Bible on Hypercard. KJV or NIV. Bible Research Systems #304-2013 Wells Branch Parkway Austin, TX 78728 Bible Dictionary 49.00 Smith's Bible Dictionary module for Verse Search. The Greek Transliterator 199.95 Strong's definitions tied to KJV The Hebrew Transliterator 249.95 Strong's definitions tied to KJV. Verse Search 99.00 The WORD Processor 100.00 KJV, NIV, RSV, NKJV, NRSV Reviews: Church Bytes 09/90, Christian Computing 08/91. Christian Book Distributors P.O. Box 6000 Peabody, MA 01961-6000 MacBible 74.95 KJV, NIV, RSV, NRSV, Greek or Hebrew Wordsearch 54.95 KJV, NIV, NKJV, NRSV Hermeneutika P.O. Box 98563 Seattle, WA 98198 Beacon HyperBible 184.99 Thompson Chain Reference in Hypercard. NIV or KJV. macBible 229.99 NIV, KJV, RSV. macBible: Greek Add-on 119.99 Greek NT with bitmapped Greek fonts. macBible: Hebrew Add-on 139.99 Hebrew Bible with bitmapped Hebrew fonts. MacScripture 109.99 KJV Holy Mountain Software 2775 Fountain Circle Sarasota, FL 34235 Holy BibleStack II 75.00 KJV, NIV. Review: Church Bytes 12/91. Kim David Software P.O. Box 40 Lindale, TX 75771 Electronic Concordance 50.00 KJV Kingdom Age Software #F197-3368 Grosvenor Drive San Diego, CA 92122 Godspeed 49.00 KJV, Greek, Hebrew. Review: Christian Computing 09/90. Linguist's Software P.O. Box 580 Edmonds, WA 98020-0580 AnyTEXT 99.95 Search engine for texts. LaserGreek 99.95 PostScript Greek fonts MacHebrew Scriptures 99.95 Biblia Hebraica with diacritical marks. SuperGreek New Testament 99.95 United Bible Societies Third Edition SuperGreek Old Testament 99.95 Rahlf's Septuagint Medina Software, Inc. P.O. Box 521917 Longwood, FL 32752 MacScripture 49.95 KJV Navpress Software P.O. Box 6000 Colorado Springs, CO 80934 Wordsearch 79.00 KJV, NIV, NKJV, NRSV, LB Parsons Technology One Parsons Drive P.O. Box 100 Hiawatha, IA 52233 QuickVerse Bible Concordance 69.00 KJV, NKJV, NIV, RSV, NRSV Reviews: Christian Computing 01/91, Church Bytes 06/91. Zondervan Publishing House Electronic Publishing 5300 Patterson S.E. Grand Rapids, MI 49530 macBible 99.95 KJV, NIV, RSV. Review: Christian Computing 11/90 macBible: Greek Add-on 174.95 macBible: Hebrew Add-on 174.95 This information is provided by: the Computer Aided Ministry Society of Canada I understand that the Lockman Foundation (holders of the copyright on the NASB text) have been playing it very close to their chests with regard to liscensing the text to software developers. They have done their own Bible software for DOS (I haven't seen it, so I can't comment on its quality, and are in the process of, or may have completed, a Mac version. There is always hope that they finally got rid of their "NIH" syndrome and have licensed the text to one or more of the better developers out there. If all else fails, you could try using a different translation.... :-) You should be able to find an address for the Lockman Foundation in any NASB Bible. A few choice words about the wisdom in keeping people from being able to use what they consider the best translation in their favourite Bible software would certainly be in order. From news@nic.funet.fi Mon Apr 5 02:58:58 1993 Received: from eunet.fi by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA17169; Mon, 5 Apr 93 02:58:58 EDT Received: from nic.funet.fi by eunet.fi with SMTP id AA13344 (5.65c+l/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 09:58:45 +0300 Received: by nic.funet.fi id <91337-1>; Mon, 5 Apr 1993 09:58:36 +0300 Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: nic.funet.fi!jarvelai From: jarvelai@finsun.csc.fi (Pekka J{rvel{inen) To: soc-religion-christian@fuug.fi Subject: swahili New Testament available Message-Id: Sender: Fake-Sender: usenet@nic.funet.fi Nntp-Posting-Host: finsun.csc.fi Organization: Centre for Scientific Computing, Finland Disclaimer: Mielipiteet ovat omiani Peruutus: paitsi csc-ryhmiss{ Distribution: soc Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 12:58:21 +0300 Lines: 32 There is swahili New Testament available via anonymous ftp on nic.funet.fi(128.214.6.100):pub/doc/bible/swahili directory. (swahili is language used in east Africa (Kenya...)) -rw-r--r-- 1 pj 356828 Apr 4 19:31 NT.z -rw-r--r-- 1 pj 138248 Apr 4 19:26 act.asc -rw-r--r-- 1 pj 102930 Apr 4 19:26 barua.asc -rw-r--r-- 1 pj 141531 Apr 4 19:26 luka.asc -rw-r--r-- 1 pj 83402 Apr 4 19:26 marko.asc -rw-r--r-- 1 pj 131756 Apr 4 19:26 math.asc -rw-r--r-- 1 pj 251621 Apr 4 19:26 paulo.asc -rw-r--r-- 1 pj 65039 Apr 4 19:26 rev.asc -rw-r--r-- 1 pj 101873 Apr 4 19:26 yohana.asc Original file is NT, which is compressed by gzip. It has editing macro about every line. I removed most of editing macros and split NT to *.asc files. I don't understand swahili! There are on nic.funet.fi also English, German and Finnish Bible; Greek and Turkish New Testament and hebrew Old Testament. If you know other ascii bibles, please mail me. I'll collect them to nic.funet.fi. -- Pekka J{rvel{inen Tel. +358 0 457 2467 Centre for Scientific Computing fax. +358 0 457 2302 Tietotie 6, P.O. Box 405 jarvelai@uranus.csc.fi SF-02101 ESPOO, FINLAND, Europe From marshall@coombs.anu.edu.au Thu Jul 8 10:27:41 1993 Received: from coombs.anu.edu.au by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA12031; Thu, 8 Jul 93 10:27:41 EDT Message-Id: <9307081427.AA12031@aramis.rutgers.edu> Received: by coombs.anu.edu.au (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05394; Fri, 9 Jul 93 00:26:26 +1000 From: David Marshall Subject: No Subject. To: christian@cs.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1993 00:26:26 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1044 Path: coombs!marshall Date: 8 Jul 93 13:49:13 GMT Message-ID: Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: daily reading program To all Christian PC users. Would you like your PC to give you a daily reading every time you switch it on? There's a new program called GOGOD (stands for Grace Of God) that uses the date on your PC to select an appropriate quotation based on the Christian calendar. GOGOD also indicates holy days like Christmas Day, Easter Sunday and the days on which important figures from the Bible (e.g. the Apostles) are remembered. GOGOD was developed by the Tuggeranong Uniting Church, ACT, Australia. You can get a copy (GOGOD.ZIP) from simtel20.army.mil in the pd1: directory. It is also available at the many sites that mirror simtel20 (e.g. ftp.uu.net has it in the systems/ibmpc/msdos/simtel20/bible directory). GOGOD is free. If you like using it, you can send a small donation to our church. I hope you enjoy using GOGOD. David Marshall marshall@coombs.anu.edu.au From news@tamsun.tamu.edu Tue Jul 13 21:05:12 1993 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA01943; Tue, 13 Jul 93 21:05:12 EDT Received: from relay1.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AA22716; Tue, 13 Jul 93 21:05:10 -0400 Received: from tamsun.tamu.edu (via TAMU.EDU) by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA24092; Tue, 13 Jul 93 21:05:03 -0400 Received: by tamsun.tamu.edu id AA14487 (5.65b/IDA-1.4.3 for soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net); Tue, 13 Jul 93 20:04:58 -0500 To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net Path: henrik From: henrik@picard.tamu.edu (Henrik Schmiediche) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Online Bible Install Program Version 6.10 Date: 14 Jul 1993 01:04:56 GMT Organization: Dept. of Statistics, Texas A&M University Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: <21vm3o$e4l@tamsun.tamu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: picard.tamu.edu Hi, I've uploaded the Online Bible Install Program version 6.10 to wuarchive.wustl.edu in pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/misc as olb610.zip for those who might be interested. The latest version on this archive was 6.03 (I think). - Henrik -- Henrik Schmiediche, Dept. of Statistics, Texas A&M, College Station, TX 77843 E-mail: henrik@stat.tamu.edu | Tel: (409) 845-9447 | Fax: (409) 845-3144 From steve@kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov Wed Sep 15 11:16:54 1993 Received: from [192.52.211.5] by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA26940; Wed, 15 Sep 93 11:16:54 EDT Message-Id: <9309151516.AA26940@aramis.rutgers.edu> Received: from [192.52.211.19] by kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov (JNOS1.07b) with SMTP id AA2134 ; Wed, 15 Sep 93 09:33:05 CST Date: Sep 15, 1993 10:16 From: "Stephen Price" To: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu Subject: Mac Online Bible 2.04 available The Online Bible version 2.04 for the Macintosh has just been uploaded to wuarchive.wustl.edu in /doc/bible. The file contents are as follows: BHSBHMDisk1of3.image.Hqx Hebrew texts BHSBHMDisk2of3.image.Hqx Hebrew texts BHSBHMDisk3of3.image.Hqx Hebrew texts CXRefDisk1of1.image.Hqx cross ref. from TSK KJVRSVDisk1of5.image.Hqx KJV & RSV texts KJVRSVDisk2of5.image.Hqx KJV & RSV texts KJVRSVDisk3of5.image.Hqx KJV & RSV texts KJVRSVDisk4of5.image.Hqx KJV & RSV texts KJVRSVDisk5of5.image.Hqx KJV & RSV texts LexiconsDisk1of3.image.Hqx Lexicons LexiconsDisk2of3.image.Hqx Lexicons LexiconsDisk3of3.image.Hqx Lexicons OnlineBible204.image.Hqx program disk version 2.04 PNTDisk1of2.image.Hqx PeopleUs NT and commentaries PNTDisk2of2.image.Hqx PeopleUs NT and commentaries TCRDisk1of3.image.Hqx Thompson Chain reference TCRDisk2of3.image.Hqx Thompson Chain reference TCRDisk3of3.image.Hqx Thompson Chain reference TRBYZN26Disk1of1.image.Hqx Greek Texts TSKDisk1of5.image.Hqx Treasury of scriptual knowledge TSKDisk2of5.image.Hqx Treasury of scriptual knowledge TSKDisk3of5.image.Hqx Treasury of scriptual knowledge TSKDisk4of5.image.Hqx Treasury of scriptual knowledge TSKDisk5of5.image.Hqx Treasury of scriptual knowledge |=== === === === === === === === === === === === === ===| Stephen Price Internet: steve@kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov Boeing ISC PROFS: jsceng1(sprice) * Vox: 713.280.2637 |=== === = / \ = === === === === === === === === === ===| ~~~ From news@pts.mot.com Thu Sep 16 17:19:35 1993 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA20978; Thu, 16 Sep 93 17:19:35 EDT Received: from relay2.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AA09561; Thu, 16 Sep 93 17:19:32 -0400 Received: from motgate.mot.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA23631; Thu, 16 Sep 93 17:19:19 -0400 Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA08734; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 16:19:16 -0500 Received: from pts.mot.com (pts1.pts.mot.com) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA20107; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 16:19:13 -0500 Received: by pts.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00164; Thu, 16 Sep 93 17:19:12 EDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 17:19:12 EDT From: news@pts.mot.com Message-Id: <9309162119.AA00164@pts.mot.com> To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: MacRickG From: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Subject: The On Line Bible - What is? Message-ID: <9309161717.AA17049@MacRickG> Keywords: On Line Bible Sender: usenet@pts.mot.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.8.211.3 Reply-To: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Organization: Motorola Paging and Telepoint Systems Group X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 21:17:17 GMT (Mr. Moderator - I recently tried to post this article, or something very similar but did not see it posted, if this is a duplicate please discard. You are free to use this as a FAQ if desired) The "On Line Bible" is available both for the PC and the Mac. I think the Mac version is better but don't have much experience on the PC version. I am not sure which reason(s) to list FIRST so here are some: speed, price, translations, accuracy, additional modules, and user interface. It truly sounds too good to believe. Note: The majority of the information in this posting is based on the posting author's experience with the application running on a range of Macintosh computers (Classic, ci, Centris660AV) and Mac operating systems (MacOS 7.0 & 7.1). Disclaimer: It is *your* desire for this software and information and your pursuit that may result in whatever consequences thereof. I have no personal or financial benefit in this attempt to service you and disavow any warranty, express or implied, both for myself and my company. I make no claims for the use of the software, or its possible liabilities. Some of the material is copyrighted, and if you receive any materials you are bound by them. Part I - General Information Part II - Addresses of international distributors Part III - Price list ############################### Part I - General Information ############################### Availability - The Online Bible 2.0 is available on the Macintosh and the PC. There are 3 basic ways to obtain it, covered in depth in a following article. Briefly, they are: Friend, Check, or ftp. Anyone with version 1.X has a copy of the registration form used by this author to register with and (thus) received notice of version 2.0. A similar form comes with version 2.0. I suggest you use it! (Now up to 2.0.4) I have recently become aware of the problems international readers may have. In part two (II) is a list of international distributors and in part 3 (III) is the price list for disk distribution. Most of the modules may be obtained via ftp from wuarchive.wustl.edu /pub/bible. This author's own distribution consisted of 29 disks, he "forgot" the Spanish, French, and German as well as the Darby and Young's Literal translations. (And it consumes 35+ Megabyte disk space!) Transfer / copying - The user manual says "The Online Bible was the first and is still the only Bible program in the world that allows you to freely copy it. Based firmly on the principal of grace not greed...With that in mind, users are not only granted permission to make and distribute copies of it, but you're encouraged to do so." There are (only) two pieces which cannot be copied (due to copyrights and fees) and they are: the KJV-NIV combined version and the KJV-NRSB combined version (if it is available yet.) Speed: Fast!, complex word and phrase searches through the whole Bible in seconds (like 2 sec. on a Mac Classic), cross references are "instantaneous". Price: *free* (see below) Translations: Authorized (King James) Version, Revised Standard Version, New International, Spanish, French, Hebrew & Greek, Young's Literal, and more. Accuracy: Proved very accurate by the company SHARP while they were trying to prove it inaccurate! Add. Modules: A stupendous advantage / assortment. A command key displays Strong's numbers, if you double click on them a Greek/Hebrew Lexicon window appears with pronunciation and definition (and you can go along creating your own!). There is a basic cross reference module (opens a new window(s)), and a large one based on "The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge". There is a note section for additional note modules (your own, commentaries, Treasury of Scriptural Knowledge). There is also a topical section, based on the "Thompson Chain Reference Bible". User Interface: It is nice to see things like scripture references in many places, when clicked on, open a new window and display the verses. There is also an "in context" command key. I guess I would say it feels like a Mac production (was developed initially on the PC, but this author thinks Ken Hamel improved it on the Mac.) This author has the Greek, Hebrew, KJV, NIV and RSV. Work is proceeding on making them co-exist better, but for now you get a dual module such as KJV-RSV or KJV-NIV and you command-1 to switch between them. In each module you can have several Bible windows open, with some using one of the two translations, and some the other. This author has created copies of the application (*and preferences files*) and is able to open 4 modules (Greek, Hebrew, KJV-RSV, and KJV-NIV) simultaneously. (this is the *below*) Since there is a copyright still in effect for the NIV, you must receive the NIV from the distributors. There is a name at the bottom "Ken Hamel" in NJ, USA with contacts in other countries. The application runs well on a 4MByte Classic II - except the 4 Megabyte of memory constraint is limiting when several applications are open at once, including two OLB modules and MacWrite II, when the system takes 2 Meg. One feature not yet mentioned is the F-Key. One way to paste scripture into *anything* is "command/shift/7" and then you specify what verses you want pasted into your application, you do NOT need to have the application running. There are format controls and translation selections available. You can also cut and paste from scripture windows to *other* (word processing) windows. You can also store scriptures in text formatted files from the program, and you can save and open files of related verses. ############################### Part II - Addresses of international distributors (copied) ############################### To save on postage costs, new material is mailed to these distributors who in turn update the distributors in their country. They should be able to provide you with the most commonly requested IBM PC and Apple Macintosh items. Pricing and availability may vary, so contact the distributor closest to you before placing an order. The following are listed in alphabetical order, by country and contact individual. Australia Keith Harris, Online Bible Australia, 5 Gibbs St., Riverview, QLD, 4303, Tel: 07-282-6392 (supplies primarily students and missionaries) Merv Perkins, Alphon Edugames, 221 Ridley Rd, Bridgeman Downs, QLD, 4035 Tel: 07 2632744 Fax: 07 2632744 (supplies all others) Canada Larry Pierce R.R. 2, West Montrose, Ont., NOB 2VO, CANADA Tel: (519) 664-2266 (Afternoons Only Please) Europe (Continental) Peter van der Schelde, Online Bible Ministries, ST. Publishare, P.O. Box 9187, 3301 AD Dordrecht, Netherlands Tel: (31) - (0)78 - 163853 Fax: (31) - (0)78 - 211111 Hong Kong & Asia Mr. Lewis Lau, Biblion Books & Software Block B., 1/F, MacKenny Centre, 660 Castle Peak Road, Lai Chi Kok, Hong Kong Tel: (852) 744-9300 Fax: (852) 744-9307 New Zealand & Pacific Islands Alan Goulstone, Online Bible New Zealand P.O. Box 12-240, Christchurch Tel: 337-1065 Fax: 366-1602 Int'l 0064-3-366-1602 South Africa Montague Coward, Online Bible South Africa c/o 6 Bond St, Muizenberg, Cape Province, 7945 Tel: (021) 588355 United Kingdom Jim Black, Online Bible Foundation (UK) 15 Newburgh Dr., Bridge of Don, Aberdeen, SCOTLAND, AB22 8SR Tel: (022) 470-4954 ############################### Part III - Price list ############################### (This approximates Appendix D of the (new) Online Bible User's Manual) Online Bible 2.0 Program Disk (1 disk) ...........................$5.- (note: Any order of a Bible text automatically comes with a free copy of the latest Online Bible program disk) [including Greek & Hebrew fonts-rlg] Bible Texts: KJV with Strong's numbers, footnotes, and alternate readings ....$20.- (all KJV come with these features) (3.8 Meg on 4 disks) KJV with Strong's, 1890 Darby, and 1898 Young's Literal (6disks) $30.- KJV with Strong's and 1984 NIV with footnotes (5.4 Meg, 5 disks) $35.- KJV with Strong's and 1947 RSV (5.2 Meg on 5 disks) .............$25.- KJV with Strong's and Spanish 1989 RVA (7.3 Meg on 6 disks) .....$30.- KJV with Strong's and French 1910 Louis Segond (7.4 Meg 6 disks) $30.- KJV with Strong's and German 1905 Darby Elberfelder (7.4M/6disk) $30.- Four Greek texts (1550 Stephanus, Scrivener 1894, Majority, and Nestle's, plus 1977 Stuttgartensia Hebrew Consonantal text (4d) $20.- Add-On Modules: 580,474 cross references from the Treasury of Scripture Knowledge and others (875K on 1 disk) ..........................$5.- Revised Thayer's Greek English Lexicon and Brown Driver Briggs Gesenius Hebrew Aramaic English Lexicon (3.5 Meg on 3 disks) ..$10.- Original Thompson Chain References, Torrey's New Topical Textbook, plus other material (4.5 Meg on 3 disks) .......................$10.- Complete Treasury of Scripture Knowledge with cross references and commentary in verse note format (6.1 Meg on 5 disks) ............$15.- All the above add-on modules (12 disks) .........................$35.- Postage: To U.S., Canada, or Mexico .......................................free To All other countries ...........................................$5.- Payment: Funds must be in U.S. dollars and any checks must be drawn on a U.S. bank to avoid problems with exchanging the currency. Postal money orders in U.S. dollars are O.K. Make checks payable to "Ken Hamel" when ordering from the author. Ken Hamel Box 168 Oakhurst, N.J. 07755 | Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com | | Hell and destruction are never full: so the eyes of man are never satisfied. From news@pts.mot.com Thu Sep 16 17:22:37 1993 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA21035; Thu, 16 Sep 93 17:22:37 EDT Received: from relay2.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AA09967; Thu, 16 Sep 93 17:22:35 -0400 Received: from motgate.mot.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA25250; Thu, 16 Sep 93 17:22:34 -0400 Received: from pobox.mot.com ([129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA08964; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 16:22:33 -0500 Received: from pts.mot.com (pts1.pts.mot.com) by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67a/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-2.15 for ) id AA20457; Thu, 16 Sep 1993 16:22:31 -0500 Received: by pts.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00280; Thu, 16 Sep 93 17:22:31 EDT Date: Thu, 16 Sep 93 17:22:31 EDT From: news@pts.mot.com Message-Id: <9309162122.AA00280@pts.mot.com> To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: MacRickG From: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Subject: The On Line Bible - How To Message-ID: <9309161721.AA27094@MacRickG> Sender: usenet@pts.mot.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.8.211.3 Reply-To: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry) Organization: Motorola Paging and Telepoint Systems Group X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1993 21:21:27 GMT This is a follow-up posting to "The On Line Bible - What is?" This is an attempt to explain the procedures for generating installation disks for The On Line Bible for the Macintosh computer from internet FTP sources. The most common source is wuarchive.wustl.edu in /doc/bible/mac. A general description of the 3 step process is: 1.) Copy the files to your Mac 2.) Run BinHex4.bin to restore from ascii to binary 3.) Run DiskCopy4.2 to create an installation disk on an 800K floppy. (Note: there is a one-for-one correspondence between the files and the installation disks created. Ex: the KJV-RSV Bible is a 5 disk "installation kit".) FTP, or "file transfer program" is a method of copying files over the internet. There are programs that run on the Mac that do this, and there are some available for file servers (Mac, unix, or VAX/VMS (e.g. "Pathworks")). One way or another, you need to be able to move the files from the ftp server to your Mac, or AFP server. The interpretation of the file names is the following: (they may or may not look like this on the (Unix) file server, it makes no difference) File name Disk Title What it is BHSBHMDisk1of3.image.Hqx BHS-BHM Disk 1/3 Hebrew Old Test. 3 disk set BHSBHMDisk2of3.image.Hqx BHS-BHM Disk 2/3 Hebrew Old Test. 3 disk set BHSBHMDisk3of3.image.Hqx BHS-BHM Disk 3/3 Hebrew Old Test. 3 disk set CXRefDisk1of1.image.Hqx CXRef Disk 1/1 Cross References from TSK + others KJVRSVDisk1of5.image.Hqx KJV-RSV Disk 1/5 AV with RSV Bible text 5 disk set KJVRSVDisk2of5.image.Hqx KJV-RSV Disk 2/5 AV with RSV Bible text 5 disk set KJVRSVDisk3of5.image.Hqx KJV-RSV Disk 3/5 AV with RSV Bible text 5 disk set KJVRSVDisk4of5.image.Hqx KJV-RSV Disk 4/5 AV with RSV Bible text 5 disk set KJVRSVDisk5of5.image.Hqx KJV-RSV Disk 5/5 AV with RSV Bible text 5 disk set LexiconsDisk1of3.image.Hqx Lexicons Disk 1/3 Both Greek and Hebrew Lexicons LexiconsDisk2of3.image.Hqx Lexicons Disk 2/3 (3 disk set) LexiconsDisk3of3.image.Hqx Lexicons Disk 3/3 (3 disk set) OnlineBible204.image.Hqx Online Bible 2.0.4 Appl. disk, FKey, fonts, Userman. PNTDisk1of2.image.Hqx PNT Disk 1/2 This was a surprise to me, it is PNTDisk2of2.image.Hqx PNT Disk 2/2 "The People's New Testament" + TRBYZN26Disk1of1.image.Hqx TR-BYZ-N26 Disk 1/1 Greek versions of NT TCRDisk1of3.image.Hqx TCR Disk 1/3 Thompson Chain Reference (3 disks) TCRDisk2of3.image.Hqx TCR Disk 2/3 Thompson Chain Reference (3 disks) TCRDisk3of3.image.Hqx TCR Disk 3/3 Thompson Chain Reference (3 disks) TSKDisk1of5.image.Hqx TSK Disk 1/5 The Treasure of Scripture Knowledge TSKDisk2of5.image.Hqx TSK Disk 2/5 The Treasure of Scripture Knowledge TSKDisk3of5.image.Hqx TSK Disk 3/5 The Treasure of Scripture Knowledge TSKDisk4of5.image.Hqx TSK Disk 4/5 The Treasure of Scripture Knowledge TSKDisk5of5.image.Hqx TSK Disk 5/5 The Treasure of Scripture Knowledge ( a note to OLB users with version 1: BTW, if you did not read it yet, there is an incompatible file format difference between OLB 1.x and 2.0. Your notes can be preserved using the included note converter application. Ditto the other books and references.) STEP 1 - - - - - It does not matter what the file name is when you transfer it to your Mac. The next step will create a new file (automatically) with the specific name, which is stored in the file's data. The transfer from the ftp server should be done in ascii, not binary! The files have been converted from binary to ascii for ease of transport. STEP 2 - - - - - Before storing the Mac files on the server they were converted from binary to ascii which adds the .Hqx (or .hqx) suffix to the file name. To revert back to the (binary) disk image, you will need to use an application called "binhex" or "binhex4.bin" and transform the "Xxxxx.image.Hqx" file back to "Xxxxx.image". This application process occurs on the Mac. Example: TCRDisk1of3.image.Hqx becomes TCR Disk 1/3.image by use of the "Upload to Application" option under the File menu. You will need to find the application on your own. STEP 3 - - - - - Next you need several 800K floppy disks and the application "DiskCopy 4.2". This application can be downloaded from the same place the OLB modules are found. (You will need to run BinHex4.bin on it after downloading.) When you double click on one of the files "XXX Diskn/m.image" launches the DiskCopy application and reads in the data to create an installation disk. You click on the "make a copy" button and insert a fresh floppy. After you have the application running you can use the menus to read in new disk images and create the floppy copies. At this point if you labeled the disks, you ought to open the On Line Bible application disk and start reading. | Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com | | Hell and destruction are never full: so the eyes of man are never satisfied. Path: christian Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian From: gkm@corvette.ho.att.com Subject: Re: Looking for electronic bible Organization: AT&T Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article mwatts@neumann.une.edu.au (Perry Farrell) writes: > >{{ There are a number of them available on my server: > > av Authorized Version (KJV) (directory of zip files) > av.bible.tar.Z Authorized Version (KJV) (compressed tar of Ascii files) > dby Darby Bible (directory of zip files) > gnt Greek New Testament Text (directory of zip files) > latin Text of Latin Vulgate (directory of zip files) > web Webster's Bible (directory of zip files) > wnt Weymouth's 1913 NT in modern speech (dir of zip files) > ylt Young's Literal Translation (directory of zip files) > > You can get them via 'anonymousftp' to 'spss.com'. None of them are > stored as 'straight text files' but if you have access to 'uncompress' > and 'tar' on unix, or 'pkunzip' on a PC, these files extract as plain > text files. -sma }} > >I am looking for the location of the bible for ftp. (just a straight text >file) I remember downloading it once from somewhere or other, but I had >to delete because of disk quota restrictions, and have since forgotten. > >Email me or post here if you know where it can be found > >regards, Matt >mwatts@neumann.une.edu.au Matt: Could you either email me your numerical ftp address or post it here of the place where one can get the online Bible info? gary [spss.com is 192.35.251.1. --clh] From scotth@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu Fri Oct 22 16:40:17 1993 Received: from news.cis.ohio-state.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA25184; Fri, 22 Oct 93 16:40:17 EDT Received: from saucer.cc.umr.edu by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (5.61-kk/5.911008) id AA03375; Fri, 22 Oct 93 16:17:42 -0400 Received: from mercury.cc.umr.edu (mercury.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.19]) via SMTP by umr.edu (8.6.2/2.05) id PAA06498; Fri, 22 Oct 1993 15:17:36 -0500 From: scotth@mcs213k.cs.umr.edu Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: scotth Subject: companies with computer Bible software available Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 20:17:34 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: mcs213g.cs.umr.edu Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO Sender: cnews@umr.edu (UMR Usenet News Administration) Message-Id: <1993Oct22.201734.6791@umr.edu> Lines: 67 Apparently-To: soc-religion-christian@cis.ohio-state.edu Companies Offering Bible-Study Software (From a list published in Christianity Today, "Computer Bibles", October 1993) (SEE ALSO: issues of Christian Computing Magazine, P.O. Box 198, Raymore, MO 64083, request sample copy/subscription info) American Bible Sales 870 Anaheim Blvd. Anaheim, CA 92805 800/535-5131 Bible Research Systems 2013 Wells Branch Pkwy, #304 Austin, TX 78728 800/423-1228 Biblesoft 22014 7th Ave. South Seattle, WA 98198 800/995-9058 Ellis Enterprises 4205 McAuley Blvd., Ste. 385 Oklahoma City, OK 73120 800/729-9500 Hermeneutika P.O. Box 98563 Seattle, WA 90198 206/824-9673 Kirkbride Technology 335 West 9th Indianapolis, IN 46202 800/428-4385 Logos Research Systems, Inc. 2117 200th Ave. West Oak Harbor, WA 98277 800/875-6467 NavPress Software P.O. Box 35006 Colorado Springs, CO 80935 800/888-9898 Parsons Technology One Parsons Drive P.O. Box 100 Hiawatha, IA 52233-0100 800/223-6925 Silver Mountain Software 1029 Tanglewood Cedar Hill, TX 75104 214/293-2920 White Harvest Software, Inc. P.O. Box 97153 Raleigh, NC 27624 919/870-0775 -- Scott Hayes scotth@cs.umr.edu shayes@usgs.gov Standard Disclaimers Apply "Youth and age touch only the surface of our lives" --C.S. Lewis Path: christian Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian From: fsh@po.cwru.edu (Floyd Harriott) Subject: Re: GERMAN Mac Bible Program Organization: Case Western Reserve University Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article , axs@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Andreas Schmid) wrote: > > > *** GERMAN Macintosh Bible Program WANTED *** > ------------------------------ > > Hi there! > > I'm looking for a German Bible Program running on > the Apple Macintosh computer. > > Until now, I've found two of them: > > * CD-ROM luxury version from the Deutsche Bibel- > gesellschaft (Cobra indexing program, many > translations), 1200 DM > --> too expensive, commercial > > * HyperCard stack derivative, 500 DM > --> awkward to operate, too slow, commercial > > Are there shareware programs (there are many 'PC' ones > like ELBIKON available) somewhere for the Mac? > > (I have the German Bible as an ASCII text at home). > -- The Semi-Freeware package, Online, comes with a KJV with Strong's and German 1905 Darby Elberfelder. It occupies 7.4 meg on 6 disks. ($30 plus $5 shipping and handling). I say it's semi-Freeware because the English version (KJV/RSV) and other Modules can be FTP'd from wuarchive.wustl.edu in the folder /doc/bible/mac Orders can be taken by Ken Hamel Box 168 Oakhurst, N.J. 07755 or in the Europe (Continental) Peter van der Schelde, Online Bible Ministries, St. Publishare, P.O. Box 9187, 3301 AD Dordrecht, Netherlands, ________________ Floyd Harriott fsh@po.cwru.edu From kd3bj!penrij!soup@uunet.uu.net Sat Feb 26 09:37:26 1994 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA07715; Sat, 26 Feb 94 09:37:26 EST Received: from relay1.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-mail-drop) id AAwexu02725; Sat, 26 Feb 94 09:37:22 -0500 Received: from uucp5.uu.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwexu24825; Sat, 26 Feb 94 09:37:15 -0500 Received: from kd3bj.UUCP by uucp5.uu.net with UUCP/RMAIL ; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 09:37:20 -0500 Received: from penrij by kd3bj.ampr.org with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0paQ2u-0002xTC; Sat, 26 Feb 94 09:31 EST Received: by penrij.UUCP (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0paKzk-0007dYC; Sat, 26 Feb 94 09:07 GMT Message-Id: From: penrij!soup@uunet.uu.net (John R. Campbell) Subject: Bible Retrieval System for Unix/Linux To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 09:07:32 +0000 (GMT) Cc: soc-religion-christian-bible-study@uunet.uu.net, chapmra@carson4.u.washington.edu Reply-To: penrij!soup@uunet.uu.net X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 11646 I looked through a directory I had for ftp.uu.net and found the Bible Retrieval System files. I am certain it is present on mirror sites (but I do NOT know where). On ftp.uu.net the files are: doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/README.bible doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible-tools.tar.Z doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.1.Z doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.tar.Z doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.data.tar-split/README doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.data.tar-split/part01 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.data.tar-split/part02 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.data.tar-split/part03 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.data.tar-split/part04 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.data.tar-split/part05 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.data.tar-split/part06 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.data.tar-split/part07 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.data.tar-split/part08 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.data.tar-split/part09 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.data.tar-split/part10 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.data.tar-split/part11 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.rawtext.Z-split/README doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.rawtext.Z-split/part01 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.rawtext.Z-split/part02 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.rawtext.Z-split/part03 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.rawtext.Z-split/part04 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.rawtext.Z-split/part05 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.rawtext.Z-split/part06 doc/literary/obi/Religion/Bible.Retrieval.System/bible.rawtext.Z-split/part07 You don't REALLY need the rawtext... but you'd have to do a little hacking of the makefile to get around it. It does NOT autoconfigure, so some tweaking of the .h and .c files may be needed. If you compile with GCC, set -fwritable-strings ... Here's the README file for the package: ----------------------------------------------->%================ Cut Here README.bible Bible Retrieval System Chip Chapin, Hewlett Packard Company Initial release, September 5, 1989 Last Updated: April 26, 1993 The Bible Retrieval System (BRS) consists of a textual database of the Authorized ("King James") Version of the Old and New Testaments, a set of libraries for finding and retrieving text, and a program ("bible") which uses the libraries to retrieve Bible passages given references on the command line or from standard input. A built-in Concordance (word search facility) is also supported. A man page is provided. While the raw Bible text consumes over 4.4 megabytes, the BRS stores it in a special compressed form, requiring less than 1.8 megabytes. Despite the compression, retrieval is very fast, and a buffer caching scheme makes second and following references to a particular region of the text almost instantaneous. The concordance facility requires an additional datafile of less than 0.9 megabytes, which provides a pre-computed list of each verse in which a word appears. The current implementation provides a very simple but effective way to logically combine the results of word searches to narrow a selection. INSTALLATION (building from source) You probably have two files: bible.data.tar Tar file containing the two data files. bible.tar.Z BRS program source distribution, including READMEs and man page. Create a directory to work in, then "cd" to it and extract files from the distribution archives as follows: $ tar xvf bible.data.tar $ zcat bible.tar.Z | tar xvf - Now execute "make" and wait for a while. $ make When make has completed, you should be able to start up the bible program for interactive use: $ bible or $ ./bible Type "?" for a summary of commands. "Q" quits the program. Review the man page: $ nroff bible.1 | more If you wish to install the program, data, and man files into system-wide locations ("/usr/local/..."), and you have the proper permissions, type: $ make install If you wish to install them somewhere else, either edit the Makefile and change the DEST variable, or just install the files by hand. If you install the data files anywhere besides /usr/local/lib, you may want to edit "bible.c" to assign an initial value to "dfpath", otherwise use the program's "-p" option (see man page). THE LIBRARIES The Bible Retrieval System is intended to be more than just the "bible" retrieval program. Two libraries of routines are provided in the BRS that may be used to construct other applications. The "Text Storage Library" (TSL) routines could be used for *any* textual data file; they are entirely independent of the structure of the Bible. They support the use of the windowed compression scheme on any text, with fast retrieval of any particular line of the text. The concordance facility is also completely generic and should work with any text. For this release, no separate documentation is provided for the TSL, but comments in the files tsl.c, tsl.h, makeindex.c, and makeconcfile.c are fairly extensive. The "Bible Retrieval Library" (BRL) includes routines that are specifically oriented to the Book-Chapter-Verse structure of the Bible text, however they are independent of the storage structure of the textual data, leaving that to the TSL. The BRL routines make retrieval programs such as "bible" extremely simple. For this release no separate documentation is provided for the BRL -- see brl.c, brl.h, brl-index.c and bible.c. Actually, there's also a third library of sorts. "Compresslib" contains a routine which may be called to uncompress a buffer of LZW-compressed data. THE COMPRESSION SCHEME The text is compressed using a modified version of the Lempel-Ziv-Welch "compress" program. The modification is very simple, and consists merely of forcing compress to emit checkpoints after a fixed number of input bytes which I call a "window". One can thus easily determine which compressed "window" contains a particular byte of the original text. By keeping track of the locations of the checkpoints in the compressed data, it is then possible to uncompress only the windows that are needed. By the way, the uncompression is done by a subroutine within the library -- no exec's or temporary files are used. Compression windows can be any size -- the size is stored in the data file and the retrieval routines treat the file accordingly. In the default configuration, the windows are 64Kbytes, which was shown by experiment to offer a reasonable compromise between efficient compression and efficient buffer management. If you want to experiment, you can change the window size by editing the argument to "squish" in the Makefile. Some Personal Notes... In 1979, as the owner of "Chapin Associates" in San Diego, I started a project to create an affordable computer-based retrieval system for Bible text. Working in UCSD Pascal on a PDP-11/03 with 60Kbytes of memory and two 500Kbyte RX02 floppy drives, with my associates Neil Fraser and Jan Denser, we succeeded in prototyping a system that used word-level Huffman-coding for the text of the New Testament. Unfortunately, pressed between economics and the limitations of the available hardware, I wound up abandoning the effort in 1980. In early 1989 I gained access to one of the available freeware Bible retrieval programs for the PC. I immediately decided that the time had come to "close the loop" on this particular personal dream, with Unix as the target environment. There really aren't any serious technical challenges any more to producing an acceptable Bible retrieval implementation for Unix systems. So I snatched the Bible text, spent a few weekends and evenings at my workstation, and here it is. The LZW compression scheme is much simpler than the word-level Huffman coding, though the compression is not as good. And it's great being able to count memory and disk storage in MBytes instead of KBytes. Even so, I've really tried to keep the system's use of resources to a minimum. But I don't think 1.7+ megabytes of data is too high a price to pay nowadays in most Unix environments. So... I hope others find these tools useful. Chip Chapin Hewlett Packard Company September 5, 1989 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Chip Chapin, Hewlett-Packard Company, California Language Lab (HP/CSO/STG/STD/CLO/CLL) Internet: chip@cup.hp.com HPDesk: Chip Chapin/hp4700/um uucp: ... {allegra,decvax,ihnp4,ucbvax} !hplabs!hpclbis!chip or ... uunet!hp-sde!hpclbis!chip USMail: MS42U5; 11000 Wolfe Road; Cupertino, CA 95014-9804; USA Phone: 408/447-5735 Fax: 408/447-4924 HPTelnet: 1-447-5735 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------->%================ Cut Here Also, here's the README.ftp file: ----------------------------------------------->%================ Cut Here ftp/pub/bible/README.ftp Last Updated: 930426 (release 4.00) This file describes the various files comprising a full distribution of the Bible Retrieval System (BRS). It is intended primarily to describe the contents of the public ftp directory, but it is also included in the distribution and may be helpful in unraveling certain mysteries. You do NOT actually need to have all these files present on your system for an installation. Files: README.ftp What you're reading now. README.bible BRS description and installation notes. bible.1.Z Man page for the "bible" program. bible.data Bible text data file. bible.data.conc Bible concordance data file. bible.data.tar Tar file containing bible.data and bible.data.conc bible.tar.Z BRS program source distribution. bible.hp-s300 bible: HP series 300/400 executable. bible.hp-s800 bible: HP series 800/700 executable. bible-tools.tar.Z BRS tools sources. Only useful for hackers. bible.rawtext.Z Unprocessed KJV bible text. Mostly useful for hackers. For a typical FTP installation, to build the program from source, you ONLY need the following TWO files: bible.data.tar Tar file containing bible.data and bible.data.conc bible.tar.Z BRS program source distribution, including READMEs and man page. Extract from them with the following commands: tar xvf bible.data.tar zcat bible.tar.Z | tar xvf - Then type "make". If all goes well, you can then execute "bible". Use the on-line help and the man page. For more info see README.bible. -- Chip Chapin chip@cup.hp.com ----------------------------------------------->%================ Cut Here I hope this is of help. The user interface is perfect for hardcopy terminals but could be improved for display-based terminals, but I am NOT complaining; this provides a serious amount of core functionality which is FAR MORE important than being pretty. -- John R. Campbell soup@penrij.UUCP Speaker to Machines also: soup@sonosam.wisdom.bubble.org When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl Gun Control? Isn't that how we (as citizens) keep Congress in line? From Usenet.News.System@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu Thu Apr 14 18:48:01 1994 Received: from news.cis.ohio-state.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA29605; Thu, 14 Apr 94 18:48:01 EDT Received: from CANTALOUPE.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU (CANTALOUPE.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU [128.2.206.47]) by news.cis.ohio-state.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with SMTP id SAA10743 for ; Thu, 14 Apr 1994 18:47:59 -0400 From: Usenet.News.System@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu Message-Id: <199404142247.SAA10743@news.cis.ohio-state.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 18:47:41 EDT To: soc-religion-christian@cis.ohio-state.edu Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: spok From: spok+@cs.cmu.edu (John Ockerbloom) Subject: Re: Apochrypha available on InterNet? Message-ID: Sender: news@cs.cmu.edu (Usenet News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: gs1.sp.cs.cmu.edu Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon References: Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 22:47:36 GMT Lines: 23 In article , Jerry A. Pipes wrote: >I was wondering if anyone knew whether the books of the Apochrypha are >available anywhere on InterNet. I know I've seen the bible, through Project >Gutenberg, but I'm interested in finding these books as well. Any help? Assuming you mean the Old Testament books sometimes called "Deuterocanonical", you can find them on CCAT's Gopher. The World Wide Web URL for their KJV Bible (which includes the "Apocrypha") is gopher://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/11/Archive/Text%20Libraries/KJV%20Bible (This translates into a Gopher bookmark as well, but I'm not sure exactly how.) Project Gutenberg has also announced they'll be releasing these books by the end of April. John Ockerbloom -- ========================================================================== ockerbloom@cs.cmu.edu 4209 Murray Ave., Pittsburgh PA 15217 From news@indiana.edu Wed Jul 20 20:33:34 1994 Received: from rodan.UU.NET by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA23590; Wed, 20 Jul 94 20:33:34 EDT Received: from relay2.UU.NET by rodan.UU.NET with SMTP id QQwzla14326; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 20:33:33 -0400 Received: from usenet.ucs.indiana.edu by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQwzla09925; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 20:33:29 -0400 Message-Id: Received: by usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (5.65c+/9.6jsm) id AA16794; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 19:33:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 19:33:22 -0500 From: "USENET News System" To: soc-religion-christian@uunet.uu.net Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Path: lness From: lness@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (lester john ness) Subject: Re: Bible software for windows on cd-rom Message-ID: Sender: news@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu (USENET News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: bronze.ucs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] References: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 00:33:16 GMT Here at Indiana University, we are creating an electronic text center, including several Bible CDs as well as classic commentaries and so on. I'm in charge of the Biblical materials, so here's some opinions based on my experience. Dallas Theological Seminary has produced something called CD WordLibrary, which might be useful. It includes several English versions of the Bible, a Greek New Testament, a Greek Old Testament (don't ask me why), and a wide variety of reference works. It uses an older version of Windows. The Packard Humanities Institute has also produced a CD with Bible versions in the original languages and early translations, as well as KJV and RSV. It works with a Windows program called Bible Windows, which is pretty good. Thesaurus Linguae Graecae includes all of Greek literature from about 1000 BC to 600 AD. That includes the Greek New Testament, the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament) and many of the early Christian writers. This also works with Bible Windows. But you must know Greek. The Catholic University of Louvain and Brepols Publishing has created a CD version of the Corpus Christianorum, with many early and medieval christian writers. It uses its own software, similar to Windows. Texts are in Latin, but help menus are in English, French, German or Italian. Finally, if you know Hebrew, Davka Corporation has issued a CD called the Judaic Classics Library. This holds the Hebrew Old Testament, the Targums (early Aramaic translations) as well as most of the better known rabbinic works -- both Talmuds, Midrash Rabbah, even the Zohar. It, uses, its own software, similar to Windows. The help menus are all in Modern Hebrew, but there is a good manual explaining it all in English. Lester Ness lness@ucs.indiana.edu